Contradiction in Phase of reflected sound

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The discussion centers on the contradictory descriptions of the phase of reflected sound waves from a closed end in organ pipes. One source states that reflection from a rigid surface is in phase, while another claims it is 180° out of phase. Despite this discrepancy, both sources agree that compressions return as compressions and rarefactions as rarefactions. The confusion arises from the distinction between pressure waves and displacement waves, which can exhibit a 90° phase difference, leading to the observed contradictions.

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While studying the fundamentals of sound waves in organ pipe, I noted that the fact about phase of reflected waves is contradicting while referring multiple sources
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While studying the fundamentals of sound waves in organ pipe, I noted that the fact about phase of reflected waves is contradicting while referring multiple sources

This book of mine describes the reflection from a rigid surface/closed end to be in phase

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Whereas this one describes the reflection from a closed end to be 180° out of phase

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Yet, both the books says that, "compression returns as compression and rarefaction returns as rerefaction, from a hard surface" and I found it to be true in all the sources i referred. But this phase change described by them is completely contradicting with each other. I found the same issue while referring some online portals on this topic.

Why are these books contradicting each other?

Initially I thought that one of them might be discussing about pressure wave and another one about displacement wave, as they have a 90° phase difference at any point of time. But even in such case, a phase of difference of 180° shouldn't be produced, right?
 
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Vivek98phyboy said:
one of them might be discussing about pressure wave and another one about displacement wave, as they have a 90° phase difference at any point of time.
Quite so.
The pressure and displacement functions can be a quarter cycle out of phase in opposite directions, so the two waves can be in phase for pressure but half a cycle out of phase for displacement.
 

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