Contraption to apply constant force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around creating a contraption to apply a constant force to a block for an experiment on sliding distance. Participants explore various methods, including pendulums, springs, and pulley systems, while considering the implications of each approach.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a pendulum to apply a force, questioning its effectiveness compared to other methods.
  • Another participant proposes using springs or a pulley system with a bag of sand, indicating that springs provide a force proportional to their extension or compression.
  • A participant challenges the use of a pendulum, asking if it would be used as a force or just the bob, comparing it to the bag of sand method.
  • It is noted that gravity provides a constant force, but the actual force transferred to the block depends on the tension in the string, which may not be constant if acceleration is not uniform.
  • One participant mentions that in engineering applications, hydraulics are used to provide a large, constant force, highlighting the importance of considering mass and acceleration in such systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of using a pendulum versus other methods like springs or pulley systems. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design for applying a constant force.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need to consider experimental conditions and precision when applying different methods. The discussion highlights the complexity of achieving a truly constant force in practical applications.

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What is a contraption I can make at home somewhat easily to apply a constant force to a block? I am doing an experiment on how far the block will slide. I was thinking about making some sort of pendulum but would love to hear some of yours guys ideas.

Thanks
 
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Springs are good ...

Or you can get a pulley, a wire, and a bag of sand; you may have to build a platform.
 
UltrafastPED said:
Springs are good ...

Or you can get a pulley, a wire, and a bag of sand; you may have to build a platform.

Would a spring work better than a pendulum?
 
I don't see how you plan to use a pendulum as a force ... or do you plan to just use the bob? In that case it's like the bag of sand ...

For a spring the force is proportional to the extension/compression.
 
UltrafastPED said:
I don't see how you plan to use a pendulum as a force ... or do you plan to just use the bob? In that case it's like the bag of sand ...

For a spring the force is proportional to the extension/compression.

I was planning on putting something on the end of the pendulum and raising it to a certain point every time and letting it hit the block at the bottom.
 
UltrafastPED said:
Gravity provides a constant force: it is always the same. The sand bag & pulley system provides a constant force for your block if the string is anchored to the block.
Not in general. The force that would actually be transferred to the block is tension in the string. While tension in the string is equal to m(g-a) of the weight. If acceleration of the block and the suspended weight are constant, then yes, the force applied will be constant. If for whatever reason, acceleration is not uniform, than neither will be the applied force.

If you want to look at it another way, no matter how much weight you suspend, you'll never have the block accelerate past g.

In all fairness, this is probably good enough for whatever OP is doing. But he should consider his exact experimental conditions and how precise things need to be.

In engineering applications, when it is necessary to provide a large, constant force to a moving object, hydraulics are used. For example, arresting gear on aircraft carriers will typically use a hydraulic system. It is relatively easy to set the relieve valve to desired pressure, and that means the piston will not apply a force in excess of that set.

Of course, here, you also have to take into account mass times acceleration of the piston itself. But it is usually negligible compared to the force applied.
 

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