Control volume and the momentum theorem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the momentum theorem in fluid mechanics, particularly in relation to control volumes with fixed mass versus those that may vary in mass. Participants explore the implications of the equations presented in various sources, including a MIT resource and Frank White's textbook, and question the validity of assumptions regarding fixed mass control volumes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy between the MIT notes, which assert that the momentum equation is valid only for fixed mass control volumes, and other fluid mechanics texts that allow for mass variation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly handling time derivatives when the control volume is time-dependent, suggesting that this relates to the mass exchange in the momentum balance.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of a "material element" of fluid and introduces the material time derivative, indicating that mass conservation is assumed in the context of non-relativistic particles.
  • There is a question raised about the necessity of the fixed mass requirement, given that the momentum balance seems to account for mass loss or gain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the fixed mass requirement and its implications for the momentum theorem. There is no consensus on whether the requirement is appropriate or how it relates to the equations presented in different sources.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the temporal changes when dealing with time-dependent control volumes, which may affect the application of the momentum theorem. There are unresolved questions about the general equation for non-fixed mass control volumes.

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I'm studying fluid and propulsion mechanics by myself.

I stumbled upon this website from MIT: http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/S...opulsion2/UnifiedPropulsion2.htm#fallingblock

It states that "Newton’s second law for a control volume of fixed mass" is $$\sum \vec{F}=\int_Vρ\frac{D}{dt}(\vec{u}_ 0+\vec{u})dV$$ but it's said that this is valid for a fixed mass control volume. $$\vec{u}_0$$ is the velocity of a reference frame attached to the control volume and $$\vec{u}$$ is the velocity of fluid relative to this moving frame.

The notes then goes on to derive this formula: $$\sum {F}_x-{F_0}_x=\int_V\frac{\partial}{\partial t}(ρ{u_x} dV+\int_S u_x(ρ \vec{u}\cdot \vec{n} dA$$
where $${F_0}_x$$ is basically $$ma_x$$.

So far so good. However, I still don't understand why this equation is only valid for a control volume with fixed mass. Moreover, we're allowing the control volume to change its mass with by having the boundary term.

This is even stressed in the quizz accompanying these notes: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/aeronau...all-2005-spring-2006/thermo-propulsion/q6.PDF

where the solution starts by remarking the validity of this equation depending on this assumption.

This seems to contradict books on Fluid Mechanics, where the mass can vary and they reach this similar equation (or maybe it's not the same equation?). For example Frank White's book equation 3.35:
$$\sum \vec{F}=\frac{d}{dt}\int_V (ρ{\vec{v}}) dV+\int_S\vec{v}ρ\vec{v}_r \cdot \vec{n} dA$$I can see that White's equation is not exactly the same but I'm trying to prove they are by expanding $$\vec{v}$$ and $$\vec{v}_r =\vec{v}-\vec{v}_{control volume}$$ (V relative to Earth, inertial frame and $$v_r$$ is a relative velocity with respect to the control volume).

I think I'm missing something here.

So basically, I'm wondering: Is the requirement of fixed mass even right? Considering that there is a boundary term.
If so, what would be the general equation for non-fixed mass control volume?
 
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The point is the exchange of the time derivatives from inside the integral to the outside of the integral. If the volume ##V## is time dependent you have to take care about the temporal change when taking the time derivative out of the integral.
 
vanhees71 said:
The point is the exchange of the time derivatives from inside the integral to the outside of the integral. If the volume ##V## is time dependent you have to take care about the temporal change when taking the time derivative out of the integral.
Yes, but how does that relate to the requirement mentioned in those notes about the mass being fixed? That requirement seems odd to me since this whole momentum balance, I think, considers loss or gain of mass.
 
I think what's meant is that you consider the movement of a "material element" of the fluid, and that's why there's the "material time derivative",
$$\mathrm{D}_t \vec{v}=\partial_t \vec{v} + (\vec{v} \cdot \vec{\nabla}) \vec{v}$$
under the integral, and this is the acceleration of a material fluid element.

Obviously you deal with non-relativistic particles, which implies that also mass is conserved, i.e., also the local conservation equation (continuity equation) for mass holds, i.e.,
$$\partial_t \rho + \vec{\nabla} \cdot (\rho \vec{v})=0,$$
where ##\rho \vec{v}=\vec{j}## is the mass-current density.
 

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