Convergence of Fourier Series for Approximating an Odd 2pi Periodic Function

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The discussion revolves around proving that the difference between a given odd 2π periodic function and the sine function is bounded by 0.01 for all x in the real numbers. The function is expressed in terms of its Fourier series representation.

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  • Participants explore the maximum pointwise difference |f(x) - sin x| and discuss the use of the integral test for bounding this difference. Some suggest integrating over a specific interval, while others question the applicability of the integral test due to the nature of the function involved.

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Several participants have provided insights on how to approach the problem, including suggestions for integrating the absolute difference and using bounds related to the integral test. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express and bound the series representing |f(x) - sin x|.

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Participants note that the function's periodicity may influence the integration approach, and there are discussions about the continuity and monotonicity conditions required for the integral test to apply.

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A odd 2pi periodic function, for which [itex]x \in [0;\pi][/itex] is given by [itex]f(x)=\frac \pi{96}(x^4-2\pi<br /> x^3+\pi^3x)[/itex]
was found to have the Fourier series
[tex]f(x) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{\sin(2n-1)x}{(2n-1)^5}, \ x \in \mathbb{R}[/tex]
The problem is now: prove that [itex]|f(x) - \sin x| \leq 0.01, \forall x \in \mathbb{R}[/itex]. The hint given was: Use integral test.
 
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What have you tried so far? What is [tex]|f(x) - \sin x|[/tex]?
 
[itex]|f(x) - \sin x|[/itex] is the maximum pointwise difference between the two. I've tried looking at the integral [tex]\int_1^\infty \frac{\sin(2x-1) \tau }{(2x-1)^5} \ dx[/tex]
but i couldn not interpret the result. I don't see how the integral test otherwise can be used to compare two different function... Normally i would use it to see how many terms i need for a good approximation.
 
Since it's periodic, just integrate ¦f(x)-sin(x)| over 0->pi..then if ¦f(x)-sin(x)¦<.01 this means the integral should be smaller than .01*pi.or something like that
 
kleinwolf said:
Since it's periodic, just integrate ¦f(x)-sin(x)| over 0->pi..then if ¦f(x)-sin(x)¦<.01 this means the integral should be smaller than .01*pi.or something like that
I don't think that would work... That would not proove that | f(x) - sin(x) | is less than 0.01 for all x.
 
Isn't there a threefold inequality giving the bounds for the integral as sums related to the integral test? Googled it. Here's a http://archives.math.utk.edu/visual.calculus/6/series.7/1.html (there is a text version with flash and java examples http://archives.math.utk.edu/visual.calculus/6/series.7/). It goes like this, suppose [itex]\sum a_{n}[/itex] satisfies the hypotheses of the integral test, then

[tex]\int_{N+1}^{\infty} a_{n} dn \leq \sum_{n=N+1}^{\infty} a_{n} \leq \int_{N}^{\infty} a_{n} dn[/tex]

perhaps that may help you in estimating the error bounds desired above.
 
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standardflop said:
[itex]|f(x) - \sin x|[/itex] is the maximum pointwise difference between the two.

I mean explicitly in terms of your Fourier series.

Using crude and trivial bounds, plus the integral bounds benorin has pointed out you should be able to get the result.
 
Well, your right, you could just integrate from 0 to y ¦f(x)-sin(x)¦dx...this should be <.01*y forall y.is this better ?...but you could also use maxima tests (take care of boundaries...)
 
shmoe said:
I mean explicitly in terms of your Fourier series.
I am not sure about what you mean.
 
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You want to estimate [tex]|f(x)-\sin x|[/tex] and you know

[tex]f(x) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{\sin(2n-1)x}{(2n-1)^5}[/tex]

Substitute this for f(x). What's the first term of this Fourier series?

You should now have an infinite sum for [tex]|f(x)-\sin x|[/tex]. Bound it in the simplest way you can think of.
 
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Thank you, now i get it... [tex]|f(x)-sin x|= \sum_{n=2}^\infty \frac{\sin(2n-1)x}{(2n-1)^5}[/tex]. But i cannot bound this series with the integral test, because the function, [tex]f(n)=\frac{\sin(2n-1)x}{(2n-1)^5}[/tex] , dosent obey the hypothesis in the test (of being continuous and decreasing)?
 
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standardflop said:
Thank you, now i get it... [tex]|f(x)-sin x|= \sum_{n=2}^\infty \frac{\sin(2n-1)x}{(2n-1)^5}[/tex]

Where did the absolute value go?
 
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I got it now, thanks for the patience.
 

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