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The problem involves finding the limit of the sequence \( \frac{10n}{n!} \) as \( n \) approaches infinity, with participants discussing the application of L'Hôpital's rule and the behavior of factorial growth compared to polynomial growth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of logarithms and L'Hôpital's rule to analyze the limit, with some questioning the transitions between steps and the dominance of the factorial function. Others express confusion about the implications of combining terms and the behavior of logarithmic expressions as \( n \) increases.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the limit, with some participants suggesting that the limit approaches zero based on factorial growth, while others are still clarifying their reasoning and calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of questioning and reasoning are evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of limits involving factorials and logarithmic functions, with some expressing uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of their findings.

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Homework Statement


find the limit n\rightarrow∞ of 10n/ n!


Homework Equations


L hospital rule


The Attempt at a Solution


took log and separated the num and denom as:
n ln10-ln(n!)
n ln10-n ln(n)+n
1/n ( ln10 - ln(n)+1)
now i applied l hospital rule
then i got lim n\rightarrow∞ as 0.So the actual answer is 1. (e0)
I just want to know if the approach is correct.
 
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bs vasanth said:
n ln10-n ln(n)+n
1/n ( ln10 - ln(n)+1)

I'm afraid I don't see how you transition between these two steps.
Also, intuitively the factorial function should dominate and the limit should be zero.
 
Fightfish said:
I'm afraid I don't see how you transition between these two steps.
Also, intuitively the factorial function should dominate and the limit should be zero.
my bad ,in my desperate attempt to get a ratio, I did that stupid thing. How do we solve it beyond intuition?
 
From n ln10-n ln(n)+n, you can combine all the terms into a single expression. Taking the limit, you will find that the expression tends to minus infinity. The limit of the original expression is then 0.
 
n*ln(10e/n) this is what i am getting , and it is not -infinity .
 
bs vasanth said:
n*ln(10e/n) this is what i am getting , and it is not -infinity .

Yes, the limit of that is -infinity. n goes to +infinity. What does ln(10e/n) do?
 
Dick said:
Yes, the limit of that is -infinity. n goes to +infinity. What does ln(10e/n) do?

I took n out , then
n( ln10-lnn +1 )
n(ln10-lnn+lne)
n ln(10e/n)
i don't know what to do after this.
 
Are you saying that ln0 is taken as -inf, but there is also n before that right which becomes +inf.
 
The ratio test gives: a_{n+1}/a_n= (10^{n+1}/(n+ 1)!)(n!/10^n)= (10^{n+1})/10^n)(n!/(n+1)!)= 10/(n+1) goes to 0 as n goes to 0. Strictly speaking, the ratio test shows that \sum a_n converges but if that is so, then, of course, the sequence \{a_n\} converges to 0.

(The converse is not necessarily true. For example, \{1/n\} clearly converges to 0 but the sum \sum 1/n does NOT converge so the ratio test does not work.)
 
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bs vasanth said:
Are you saying that ln0 is taken as -inf, but there is also n before that right which becomes +inf.

n*ln(10e/n) if n is really big is a really big positive number multiplied by a really big negative number. What is that going to be?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
n*ln(10e/n) if n is really big is a really big positive number multiplied by a really big negative number. What is that going to be?

Now i get it , it is going to really big negative number, so -inf.
therefor the answer for the original question is 0.
thankyou everyone.
 

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