Convergence Tests the Comparison Test

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison test for convergence of series in mathematics, specifically focusing on how to identify an appropriate second series (typically denoted as b_k) for comparison with a given series (a_k). Participants explore the conditions under which the comparison test can be applied and the challenges in selecting the correct series for comparison.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to find the second series (b_k) for the comparison test, despite understanding the process.
  • Another participant explains the comparison test's conditions, stating that if 0 ≤ a_k ≤ b_k, then the convergence of b_k implies the convergence of a_k, and vice versa for divergence.
  • A question is raised about whether any series can be used for comparison, leading to a clarification that the series must meet certain conditions after a sufficiently large k.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of the comparison test when applied to alternating series, with one participant noting that their oscillating nature complicates the comparison.
  • Another participant highlights the challenge of finding a suitable series for comparison when dealing with alternating series, suggesting that the properties of these series require different convergence tests.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the fundamental principles of the comparison test but express differing views on the applicability of the test to alternating series and the challenges of finding appropriate series for comparison.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there is no prescribed method for selecting the second series for comparison, which may depend on the specific characteristics of the series in question. The discussion also highlights the unique properties of alternating series that may necessitate different convergence tests.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying series convergence, particularly those grappling with the comparison test and its application to various types of series, including alternating series.

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hey guys I'm kind of stuck on this idea of the comparison test. i understand the process and how it is done but i don't seem to understand how to find the second series(typically called bn) to compare with the original. get what i mean?

thanks! =)
 
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Well the comparison test says that if you have [itex]0\leq a_k \leq b_k[/itex], then if

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}b_k<\infty \quad \Rightarrow \quad \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}a_k <\infty[/tex]

and if

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}a_k=\infty \quad \Rightarrow \quad \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}b_k=\infty[/tex]

So you need to find either a smaller [itex]a_k[/itex] or the larger [itex]b_k[/itex] in either case, but as you may see there isn't really any prescribed method of finding it. You just need to look at the series and think of what you could compare it to that is smaller or larger depending on the case. You can see why it's useful to know the convergence/divergence properties of many common infinite series.
 
so you can technically compare it to anything?
 
Yes, if after large [itex]k[/itex] the series fits the necessary condition of being larger or smaller. Of course this cannot be used for some obvious series which won't work, like alternating, which have their own tests.
 
just curious, why is the alternating series test different?
 
Well think of the alternating series, something like

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} (-1)^n a_k[/tex]

with [itex]a_k[/itex] always positive. This will jump back and forth from negative to positive on the number line as it progresses so most of the time a comparison test with these won't work (you would need to find something smaller or larger but you can see why this would be difficult).
 

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