Convert the equation to a first order system.

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The discussion revolves around converting a second-order differential equation, specifically d²y/dt² + 3dy/dt + 2y = 0, into a first-order system. Participants are exploring the necessary transformations and the implications of their choices.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting d²y/dt² as dv/dt and dy/dt as v, leading to the equations dv/dt + 3v + 2y = 0 and dy/dt = v. Some express uncertainty about handling the variable y in this context.
  • There are attempts to express the system in matrix form and to find eigenvalues, with some questioning the correctness of their calculations and assumptions regarding eigenvalues.
  • One participant suggests an alternative approach using a different notation for differentiation.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and suggestions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation of the equations, but there is no clear consensus on the next steps or the correctness of the current approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through potential errors in their calculations and assumptions about eigenvalues, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts. The original poster expresses confusion about the process, particularly in relation to the variable y.

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Homework Statement




Convert the equation to a first order system.

d^2y/dt^2 + 3dy/dt + 2y = 0



The Attempt at a Solution



Set d^2y/dt^2 = dv/dt

dy/dt = V

So, I now have: dv/dt + 3v + 2y = 0

Now, I'm not sure what to do with that Y, In my notes we only did examples with the last number not having an variable.
 
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hi killersanta! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

put d/dy = D …

then it's (D2 + 3D + 2)y = 0 :wink:
 
You have exactly what you want. Yes, dv/dt+ 3v+ 2y= 0 so your two equations are
dv/dt= -3v- 2y and dy/dt= v.
 
tiny-tim said:
hi killersanta! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

put d/dy = D …

then it's (D2 + 3D + 2)y = 0 :wink:



What reply box?
______________________________________

Now, I'm having troubles again.

dv/dt = -3v -2y
dy/dt=v

A = [-3 -2 ]
[1 0]

Det: [-3-Lamba -2 ] = 0
[1 0-lamba ]

(-3 - lamba)(0-lamba) -(-2)(1) = 0
Lamba2 -3 lamba + 2 =0

(lamba -1)(lamba-2)=0
Lamba = 1, lamba = 2

Find V1 using Lamba =1:

[-3-1 -2|0]
[1 0-1 |0]
________________
[-4 -2|0]
[1 -1|0]
_________________
Swap rows
[1 -1|0]
[-4 -2|0]

This is where I am having troubles, no matter what I do, I can't get the bottom rows all zeros...
 
(just got up :zzz: …)

try putting z = (D + 1)y :smile:

(and by the Reply box I mean the box on the Reply page that you get to if you click the "QUOTE" button :wink:)
 
killersanta said:
What reply box?
______________________________________

Now, I'm having troubles again.

dv/dt = -3v -2y
dy/dt=v

A = [-3 -2 ]
[1 0]

Det: [-3-Lamba -2 ] = 0
[1 0-lamba ]

(-3 - lamba)(0-lamba) -(-2)(1) = 0
Lamba2 -3 lamba + 2 =0
This is incorrect. (-3- lambda)(-lambda)= lambda2+ 3\lambda+ 2= 0.

(lamba -1)(lamba-2)=0
Lamba = 1, lamba = 2

Find V1 using Lamba =1:

[-3-1 -2|0]
[1 0-1 |0]
________________
[-4 -2|0]
[1 -1|0]
_________________
Swap rows
[1 -1|0]
[-4 -2|0]

This is where I am having troubles, no matter what I do, I can't get the bottom rows all zeros...
That's because 1 is NOT an eigenvalue.
 

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