Convolution properteis and the imaginary unit

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier Transform (FT) of the function x(t) = sin(πt) sin(50πt) and the properties of convolution involving the imaginary unit. Participants are examining the transformations and manipulations of the Fourier Transforms, particularly focusing on sign changes and the treatment of constants in convolution.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Participants are questioning how the signs change in the transformation from one step to another in the Fourier Transform process.
  • There is uncertainty about the disappearance of the imaginary unit (j) in the professor's solution, with some suggesting it may relate to the sign changes.
  • One participant proposes that the professor may have inadvertently applied the property j² = -1 to both factors instead of just one.
  • There is a discussion about the cancellation of π coefficients in the convolution, with references to a wiki statement regarding the treatment of constants in convolution.
  • Some participants express confusion about the mention of integrals in the context of the discussion, questioning their relevance.
  • Concerns are raised about the inversion of signs in the operands of the convolution, with participants suggesting that the professor may have made a typo.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of signs and constants in the convolution process, with no consensus reached regarding the professor's solution or the handling of the imaginary unit. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference properties of convolution and the behavior of constants, but there is a lack of clarity on how these apply to the specific case at hand. The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the manipulation of complex numbers and the application of mathematical properties.

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finding the FT of x(t)=sin(πt) sin(50πt) :

( '*' is the convolution operator)

its FT X(Ω)=(1/2π) F(sin(πt)) * F(sin(50πt))

= (1/2π) jπ(δ(Ω+π)-δ(Ω-π)) * (jπ (δ(Ω+π)-δ(Ω-π)) ) (a)

from my professor's solution it next goes:

= (π/2) (-δ(Ω+π)+δ(Ω-π)) * ((-δ(Ω+π)+δ(Ω-π)) ) (b)

1)How did the signs change?
2)Where did the j's go? ( i suspect 1,2 are related =P )

also,
3) doesn't the 1/π cancel out the π coefficients in each quantity to be convoluted?
from wiki:
a (f * g) = (a f) * g = f * (a g)

why is that? i mean, why isn't it:
a (f * g) = (a f) *(a g)

?
 
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atrus_ovis said:
finding the FT of x(t)=sin(πt) sin(50πt) :

( '*' is the convolution operator)

its FT X(Ω)=(1/2π) F(sin(πt)) * F(sin(50πt))

= (1/2π) jπ(δ(Ω+π)-δ(Ω-π)) * (jπ (δ(Ω+π)-δ(Ω-π)) ) (a)

from my professor's solution it next goes:

= (π/2) (-δ(Ω+π)+δ(Ω-π)) * ((-δ(Ω+π)+δ(Ω-π)) ) (b)

1)How did the signs change?
2)Where did the j's go? ( i suspect 1,2 are related =P )
I think he is just using j2=-1 and inadvertently applied it to both factors instead of just the first.
also,
3) doesn't the 1/π cancel out the π coefficients in each quantity to be convoluted?
from wiki:
a (f * g) = (a f) * g = f * (a g)

why is that? i mean, why isn't it:
a (f * g) = (a f) *(a g)

?
Because constants come outside the integrals. a multiplies only one factor at a time.
 
I think he is just using j2=-1 and inadvertently applied it to both factors instead of just the first.
But where does the 2nd j come from? :rolleyes:
 
atrus_ovis said:
= (1/2π) jπ(δ(Ω+π)-δ(Ω-π)) * (jπ (δ(Ω+π)-δ(Ω-π)) ) (a)

atrus_ovis said:
But where does the 2nd j come from? :rolleyes:

Right there. I see two of them.
 
Just a sec,i'm confused.
Because constants come outside the integrals. a multiplies only one factor at a time.
What integrals?

Also, the sign is inverted at both the operands of the convolution.
We had Aj*jB , we should have Aj*j*B = -A*B or A*-B , but it says -A*-B
 
LCKurtz said:
I think he is just using j2=-1 and inadvertently applied it to both factors instead of just the first.

atrus_ovis said:
Just a sec,i'm confused.


Also, the sign is inverted at both the operands of the convolution.
We had Aj*jB , we should have Aj*j*B = -A*B or A*-B , but it says -A*-B

I agree; that's what I said in the first place above -- I think he made a typo.
 
Oh, sorry.
Okay,thanks.
 

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