Find the Fourier Transform of the function t*(sent/pi*t)^2

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The problem involves finding the Fourier Transform of the function f(t) = t*(sin(t)/(tπ))^2. The original poster outlines their approach to the problem, including the relevant Fourier Transform equation and their attempts to derive the necessary components for the solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the Fourier Transform by first finding the transform of g(t) = sin(t)/(tπ) and considers the convolution of g(t) with itself. They express uncertainty about their method and seek confirmation on their approach.
  • Some participants question the notation used, specifically the use of "sen" for sine, and suggest using a specific formula from Wikipedia to assist in the calculation.
  • Others suggest re-arranging the formula for their specific case and encourage deriving the formula for better understanding.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on using established formulas and encouraging the original poster to explore their understanding further. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach, but several productive suggestions have been made.

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The original poster expresses challenges with language and understanding of the topic, indicating a learning process that involves self-study and external resources. There is also a mention of specific definitions of the sinc function that may affect the application of formulas.

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Homework Statement


Find the FT of the following signal

The function is: f(t) = t(\frac{sen(t)}{t\pi})^2

Homework Equations


Fourier transform: F(\omega)= \int_{-\infty}^\infty f(t)e^{-jt\omega}

My attempt began with this Fourier transform, and that's my goal:

F[tf(t)]= jF'(\omega)

The Attempt at a Solution


English is not my first language but i'll do my best to explain my attempt.

With F[tf(t)]= jF'(\omega) being f(t)=(\frac{sen(t)}{t\pi})^2.

It was clear that i had to find the Fourier transform F(ω) of f(t) for further derivation and multiplication with "j" to finish the problem, so i said that if g(t)=\frac{sen(t)}{t\pi}, it would be f(t) = g^2(t) = g(t)g(t) so... that F(ω) that i need is the FT of a product.

So i concluded that the FT of f(t) it's the convolution of the FT of:
g(t)=\frac{sen(t)}{t\pi} with itself, in other words --> G(\omega)*G(\omega) = F(\omega)

So in definitive, i need the FT of g(t)=\frac{sen(t)}{t\pi}. (if I'm not wrong)

I didn't know how to calculate G(ω) directly but i can try to solve G'(ω) and then integrate the result, so i did this:

\frac{dG(\omega)}{d\omega}= \int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{sen(t)}{t\pi}\frac{de^{-jt\omega}}{d\omega}dt = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{sen(t)}{t\pi}(-jt)e^{-jt\omega}dt = \frac{-j}{\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty sen(t)e^{-jt\omega}dt

\frac{-j}{\pi} \int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{e^{jt}-e^{-jt}}{2j}e^{-jt\omega}dt = \frac{-1}{2\pi} \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{jt-jt\omega}-e^{-jt-jt\omega}dt = \frac{-\delta(\omega + 1) + \delta(\omega - 1)}{2\pi} = G'(\omega)

Now i integrate G'(ω), the particularity of this is that if H(ω) is the Heaviside function, and δ(ω) is delta dirac's function i can make an equation that says that:

H'(\omega)=\delta(\omega) \quad then \quad H(\omega) = \int \delta(\omega)
(I hope this is ok (?))

So i have at last G(ω):
G(\omega) = \frac{-H(\omega + 1) + H(\omega - 1)}{2\pi}

So i'll be honest, at this point, i didn't know how to do the convolution by myself (i'm learning by myself, the teacher's class was just scratching the surface of the theme so i don't understand it fully, but even so, this is part of a homework and costs points of it), so i consulted with wolfram alpha, here's the link --> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?...fx&f4=y&f=ConvolveCalculator.variable2\u005fy

The result was F(\omega)= G(\omega)*G(\omega) = \frac{1 }{4\pi^2}((\omega-2)H(\omega-2)-2\omega H(\omega)+(\omega+2)H(\omega+2))

Nevermind. I made a huge mistake so i edited my post, i need to derive that F(ω) to obtain F'(ω) and fulfill the TF that i defined in the beginning F[t(\frac{sen(t)}{t\pi})^2]= jF'(\omega). But this is ok? all that i did? i need some orientation... and there's another way to do all of this?
 
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I guess that "sen" is your symbol for the sine?
The fast track would be to use formula 203 of this wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform

The derivative of a triangular function should not be a problem!
 
maajdl said:
I guess that "sen" is your symbol for the sine?
The fast track would be to use formula 203 of this wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform

The derivative of a triangular function should not be a problem!

Yeah, that's my sine sorry, in spanish it's "seno" so i use sen, my apologies if the notation was confusing, thank you. And... the reason why i didn't use the formula 203 is because in the remarks of the formula, they clarify that their sinc(x) is defined as
sinc(x) = \frac{sin(x\pi )}{x\pi} And mine would be sinc(x) = \frac{sin(x)}{x} So i preferred to not touch that definition. But can i use that formula?
 
Of course, you can use that formula.
You simply need to re-arrange it a little bit.
Make a change of variable y = Pi x and re-write formula 203 with your own variable.

Also, you may like to derive formula 203 for your own training, which should not be too difficult.
Doing so, you may also come close to solve your problem fully by your own means which is more fun.
 
maajdl said:
Of course, you can use that formula.
You simply need to re-arrange it a little bit.
Make a change of variable y = Pi x and re-write formula 203 with your own variable.

Also, you may like to derive formula 203 for your own training, which should not be too difficult.
Doing so, you may also come close to solve your problem fully by your own means which is more fun.

Hahaha yes, the feeling after you complete something that you worked on for hours straight is irreplaceable, thank you again! so in my case, f(t) being: \frac{sin(t)}{t\pi}\quad if \quad y=t\pi \quad then \quad t=\frac{y}{\pi} --> f(\frac{y}{\pi}) = (\frac{sin(\frac{y}{\pi})}{\frac{\pi}{\pi}y})^2 = (\frac{sinc(\frac{y}{\pi})}{\pi})^2 = \frac{(sinc(\frac{y}{\pi})^2)}{\pi^2} Then, using the formula 203 (non unitary, angular frequency) my result is: F(\omega) = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{\pi}}tri(\frac{\omega}{2\pi \frac{1}{\pi}}) = \pi tri(\frac{\omega}{2}) And it's derivative is: F'(\omega) = \pi \frac{ rect(\frac{\omega +1}{2}) - rect(\frac{\omega -1}{2})}{2} Being "tri" the triangular function and "rect" the rectangular.

And now i apply it to my initial transform. I suppose that that's ok isn it?
 
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