Can the Parker Solar Probe Be Cooled by Radiating Heat into Space?

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The discussion revolves around the cooling mechanisms of the Parker Solar Probe as it approaches the Sun, particularly whether it is feasible to cool its inner surfaces by transferring heat to a cooler part and radiating it into space. Participants explore theoretical aspects of heat transfer, the probe's design, and its operational parameters in extreme temperatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that it is theoretically possible to cool the spacecraft's inner surface by transferring heat to a cooler part and radiating it into space, contingent on the principles of radiative heat transfer.
  • Others suggest that the probe may be rotating, which could influence its thermal management strategy.
  • One participant raises specific temperature targets for the spacecraft, suggesting that if the near surface reaches 1,700 K, the coolest part should be maintained at either 300 K or 3.5 K, depending on the duration of operation.
  • Another participant questions the assumptions made about the spacecraft's design and operational parameters, emphasizing the availability of information from NASA regarding the heat shielding technology.
  • Participants discuss the expected lifetime of the Parker Solar Probe in solar orbit, with some uncertainty about the mission's trajectory and the number of Venus flybys involved in its approach to the Sun.
  • There is a mention of the probe's trajectory involving seven Venus flybys over nearly seven years, which will gradually bring it closer to the Sun, but interpretations of this plan vary among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the cooling mechanisms and assumptions about the spacecraft's design. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the feasibility of the proposed cooling methods or the specifics of the mission trajectory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in assumptions about the spacecraft's design and operational capabilities, as well as the dependence on specific temperature targets and the implications of the probe's trajectory.

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This probe is designed to fly closer than 4 million miles from the sun's 'surface'. Is it possible in principle to cool the spacecraft 's inner facing surface by transferring heat to a cooler part and then radiating it into space from the far surface? I don't think it is equipped with such tech but it would be cool if it was.
 
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Sounds like a great exercise in "inverse square law" and "black-body" behavior to me; can you let us, PF, know what you come up with?
 
harrylentil said:
Is it possible in principle to cool the spacecraft 's inner facing surface by transferring heat to a cooler part and then radiating it into space from the far surface?
Yes. In principle it is possible to transfer heat throughout the probe so that it is roughly at the same temperature throughout. The rate of heating or cooling then depends on the principles of radiative heat transfer
 
Maybe the probe will be rotating, continuing to turn a different side toward the Sun?
 
Can we make the assumptions that I want the spacecraft to have a main instrument chamber kept as cool as desired for a reasonably long time, and that it might be necessary to keep the craft with one side facing the sun (or a solution might require a rotation). So, to put numbers on it, if the near surface reaches 1,700 K the solution should require (1) the coolest part to kept at 300 K or (2) the coolest part to be kept at 3.5 K either until (a) the internal fuel runs out or (b) indefinitely.
 
harrylentil said:
Can we make the assumptions that I want the spacecraft to have a main instrument chamber kept as cool as desired for a reasonably long time, and that it might be necessary to keep the craft with one side facing the sun (or a solution might require a rotation). So, to put numbers on it, if the near surface reaches 1,700 K the solution should require (1) the coolest part to kept at 300 K or (2) the coolest part to be kept at 3.5 K either until (a) the internal fuel runs out or (b) indefinitely.

why make wild assumptions about the craft ??

All the main info is on the NASA site for you to read ... here's the main guts of the heat shielding ...

July 6, 2018

Cutting-Edge Heat Shield Installed on NASA’s Parker Solar Probe
The launch of Parker Solar Probe, the mission that will get closer to the Sun than any human-made object has ever gone, is quickly approaching, and on June 27, 2018, Parker Solar Probe’s heat shield — called the Thermal Protection System, or TPS — was installed on the spacecraft .

A mission 60 years in the making, Parker Solar Probe will make a historic journey to the Sun’s corona, a region of the solar atmosphere. With the help of its revolutionary heat shield, now permanently attached to the spacecraft in preparation for its August 2018 launch, the spacecraft ’s orbit will carry it to within 4 million miles of the Sun's fiercely hot surface, where it will collect unprecedented data about the inner workings of the corona.

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The eight-foot-diameter heat shield will safeguard everything within its umbra, the shadow it casts on the spacecraft . At Parker Solar Probe’s closest approach to the Sun, temperatures on the heat shield will reach nearly 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, but the spacecraft and its instruments will be kept at a relatively comfortable temperature of about 85 degrees Fahrenheit.

The heat shield is made of two panels of superheated carbon-carbon composite sandwiching a lightweight 4.5-inch-thick carbon foam core. The Sun-facing side of the heat shield is also sprayed with a specially formulated white coating to reflect as much of the Sun’s energy away from the spacecraft as possible.

The heat shield itself weighs only about 160 pounds — here on Earth, the foam core is 97 percent air. Because Parker Solar Probe travels so fast — 430,000 miles per hour at its closest approach to the Sun, fast enough to travel from Philadelphia to Washington, D.C., in about one second — the shield and spacecraft have to be light to achieve the needed orbit.https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...shield-installed-on-nasa-s-parker-solar-probe

Dave
 

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davenn said:
At Parker Solar Probe’s closest approach to the Sun, temperatures on the heat shield will reach nearly 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, but the spacecraft and its instruments will be kept at a relatively comfortable temperature of about 85 degrees Fahrenheit.
Wow! That's amazing. Do you know the expected/projected lifetime in solar orbit?
 
berkeman said:
Do you know the expected/projected lifetime in solar orbit?

wellllllll ...
the best I have so far found is this ...
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe-humanity-s-first-visit-to-a-star

In order to unlock the mysteries of the Sun's atmosphere, Parker Solar Probe will use Venus’ gravity during seven flybys over nearly seven years to gradually bring its orbit closer to the Sun. The spacecraft will fly through the Sun’s atmosphere as close as 3.8 million miles to our star’s surface, well within the orbit of Mercury and more than seven times closer than any spacecraft has come before.

And I'm not completely sure how to interpret that ?
It sounds like...
1) it does 7 loops around the Sun and Venus and each of those loops brings it closer during those 7 years or
2) it uses Venus once as a boost to initially get it into a closer 7 year solar orbit ( where it doesn't loop around Venus any more )

I'm sort of going for #1, but am not sure ?

Dave
 
OK from wiki ...

Trajectory[edit]
The spacecraft trajectory will include seven Venus flybys over nearly seven years to gradually shrink its elliptical orbit around the Sun, for a total of 24 orbits.[1] The science phase will take place during those 7 years, focusing on the periods when the spacecraft is closest to the Sun. The near Sun radiation environment is predicted to cause both spacecraft charging effects, radiation damage in materials and electronics, and communication interruptions, so the orbit will be highly elliptical with short times spent near the Sun.[21]

so #1 in previous post is the plan
The trajectory requires high launch energy, so the probe will be launched on a Delta IV Heavy class launch vehicle and an upper stage based on the STAR-48B solid rocket motor.[21] Interplanetary gravity assists will provide further deceleration relative to its heliocentric orbit, which may result in a heliocentric speed record at perihelion.[3][22] As the probe passes around the Sun, it will achieve a velocity of up to 200 km/s (120 mi/s), which will temporarily make it the fastest manmade object, almost three times as fast as the current record holder, Helios-B.[23][24][25] Like every object in an orbit, due to gravity the spacecraft will accelerate as it nears perihelion, then slow down again afterwards until it reaches its aphelion.

my bold = WOWD
 
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