Correct way to write multiple argument functions

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The discussion centers on the notation used in the Euler-Lagrange equation, specifically the inclusion of multiple arguments such as x, y(x), and y'(x). Participants argue that while it may seem redundant to list dependent variables alongside independent ones, this practice is common in physics to emphasize the relationships between physical quantities. The notation serves to clarify the dependencies and roles of each variable, despite being mathematically ambiguous. Ultimately, the consensus is that this redundancy, while not strictly necessary, enhances understanding in the context of physical models.

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plob said:
You mean that since L is uniquely determined, i.e. single valued, with respect to x, it should be a regular rather than a partial derivative and that is the bad notation?

Yes, that's what I mean, but we really shouldn't call the function "L". The physics approach doesn't introduce a new name for the function created by substituting functions of x for the arguments of L.

Think about what we teach students in secondary school about functions. A function has a domain and co-domain. If two functions have a different domain, they are not the same function. If "L" was the name of a unique function, it would have a unique domain. In the case at hand, the domain of L is triples of real numbers. When we create a different function whose domain is single real numbers, we shouldn't call that function "L" - without apologizing to our classes of secondary school students!

You may find notation like ##\frac{dL}{dx}## used to indicate a "total derivative" of the unnamed function. That notation may be used alongside the notation ##\frac{\partial L}{\partial x}## , which indicates a partial derivative of ##L## with respect to its first argument.
 
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