Corrected.Finding the Energy and Work in a Carnot Cycle

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a Carnot cycle involving an ideal gas, where participants are attempting to determine the energy expelled to the cold reservoir and the net work done by the gas. The temperatures for the isothermal processes are given, and a specific amount of energy is absorbed from the hot reservoir.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are checking calculations related to the efficiency of the Carnot cycle and the relationships between heat absorbed, work done, and heat expelled. There are questions about the correctness of the values used in calculations and the assumptions regarding temperature conversions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and corrections regarding the calculations, particularly concerning the efficiency formula and the conversion of temperatures to Kelvin. There appears to be ongoing exploration of the calculations without a clear resolution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the expected answers and discuss the importance of using the correct temperature values in Kelvin for calculations. There is also mention of a specific difference in energy values that should be considered.

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Homework Statement


An ideal gas is taken through a Carnot cycle. The
isothermal expansion occurs at 250°C, and the isothermal
compression takes place at 50.0°C. The gas takes in 1 200 J
of energy from the hot reservoir during the isothermal
expansion. Find (a) the energy expelled to the cold reservoir
in each cycle and (b) the net work done by the gas in
each cycle.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Qh=1200J.

Qh-W=Qc (absolute values)

e(Carnot)=(523-323)/523= 61.9 %
(corrected my typo from before)

Therefore Qc= .381(1200J)=457J

and W = 1200-457=743J

Not the correct answer. Qc = 741 according to the solutions manual.

ps. Latex seems to be bugged, didn't work in "preview post" mode.
 
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Feodalherren said:
e(Carnot)=1-(523/323)= 61.9 %

Hello. Check this calculation.
 
Hi there.

Woops I typed it in wrong, it was supposed to be (523-323)/523= .619

The answer is still incorrect though.
 
Feodalherren said:
Hi there.

Woops I typed it in wrong, it was supposed to be (523-323)/523= .619

The answer is still incorrect though.

That's not the problem. Check the numbers. Remember, you are looking for a difference of 2 joules.
 
Give me another hint, please. I still don't know what I'm doing wrong :). Is my logic even sound?
 
Feodalherren said:
Hi there.

Woops I typed it in wrong, it was supposed to be (523-323)/523= .619

The answer is still incorrect though.


e = (523-323)/523 is correct. But this does not equal .619
 
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what?! How did I miss that, I re-did it like 3 times :/. Thank you though.
 
Feodalherren said:
Hi there.

Woops I typed it in wrong, it was supposed to be (523-323)/523= .619

The answer is still incorrect though.


Also, to get the anwer of 741 J it appears that you should convert to Kelvin by adding 273.15 rather than 273.
 

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