Carnot Cycle: Analysis of Energy Exchange

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of energy exchange in Carnot cycles, specifically focusing on refrigerators and heat engines. Participants are exploring the relationships between work done, heat absorbed, and heat expelled in these thermodynamic processes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the principles of cyclic processes and the conservation of energy, questioning how to determine the energy exhausted as heat. There is a focus on understanding the roles of work and heat in the context of the Carnot cycle.

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The discussion is active, with participants attempting to clarify the relationships between energy inputs and outputs in both refrigerators and heat engines. Some guidance has been provided regarding the calculations involved, but there remains uncertainty about specific interpretations of energy exchange.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of temperature values in the initial problem and question the implications of energy absorption at different temperatures (Th and Tc) in the context of the Carnot cycle.

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A refrigerator operates on a Carnot cycle. In this cycles, it absorbs 120 J of energy at a temperature Tc while 300 J of work is done on the gas undergoing the cycle.

How much energy is exhausted as heat during this process?

The answer is 420 J.

I am unsure of where to start for this question as we are not given temperatures.
 
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Recall that, in any cyclic process, the gas must return to its original state. So, in one cycle,

$$\Delta U=Q-W=0$$

Therefore, work done (300 J) must equal heat expelled. And any heat added (120 J) must also be expelled.
 
zenmaster99 said:
Recall that, in any cyclic process, the gas must return to its original state. So, in one cycle,

$$\Delta U=Q-W=0$$

Therefore, work done (300 J) must equal heat expelled. And any heat added (120 J) must also be expelled.

so to find energy exhausted as heat, it is as simple as adding the work plus any heat added?
 
physics123 said:
so to find energy exhausted as heat, it is as simple as adding the work plus any heat added?

Could you then explain this question?
A heat engine operates on a Carnot cycle. In this cycles, it absorbs 420J of energy while it expands in contact with a reservoir of temperature Th. The heat engine does a net 300J during the full cycle.

The answer is 120J, so why isn't the energy added? What is the difference between absorbing energy at Th and Tc?
 
In this case, the engine takes in 420 J from the hot reservoir. This must be expelled as either heat or work. 300 J is returned as work, therefore 120 J must be heat.

Hang on, let me look for the diagram I'm thinking of...

Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_engine#/media/File:Heat_engine.png

Notice that what goes in must come out as either work or heat. Although this diagram tries to be all-encompassing by including a little loss mechanism, you needn't worry about that at this level.
 
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