Coulomb's law point charges distance for 0 net force

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The problem involves determining the position of a third charge that experiences zero net force due to two other point charges, one of +5µC and the other of +7µC, placed at specified distances along a line. The context is rooted in Coulomb's law and the principles of electrostatics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the equations based on the forces acting on the third charge and explore the implications of charge magnitudes and distances. There are attempts to simplify the equations by canceling out constants and variables. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the equations and the method for solving them, particularly in relation to quadratic equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the mathematical aspects of solving the equations, including the structure of quadratic equations. There is acknowledgment of the need for further clarification on solving these equations, and multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of aligning their physics understanding with their current level of mathematics, particularly regarding quadratic equations and radicals. There is an indication of varying levels of familiarity with the necessary mathematical concepts among participants.

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Homework Statement



One charge of (+5µC) is placed in the air at exactly x = 0, and a second charge (+7µC) at x = 100cm. where can the third charge be placed so as to experience zero net force due to the other charges?

Homework Equations


F=KQ1Q2 / D^2


The Attempt at a Solution


Q1 = +5µC,
Q2 = +7µC,
Q3d from q1 = D1,
K = 9*10^9,
100 cm = 1 m
D1+D2=1m,
1m - D1 = D2.

K(q1*q3)/d1^2)=K(q2*q3)/(1-D1)^2
Then the k's cancel each other out and the Q3's cancel each other out.

(q1)/(d1^2)=(q2)/(1-D1)^2

Is this correct? also can you give me an example on solving this equation if it is correct?

Another thing
if Q1 had a smaller and opposite charge compared to Q2, the equation would be?
(q1)/(d1^2)=(q2)/(1+D1)^2
 
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Sorry i did not type out the values,

5/d^2=7/(1+D)^2

saying that we are finding distance and both the charges are 10^-6 it can cancel out right?
Sorry i guess this is more of a math problem if i have the formula right, i really am not sure how to solve this, i have tried but i keep getting the wrong answers. the answer in the book is .46m or 46cm
 
jmr423 said:
K(q1*q3)/d1^2)=K(q2*q3)/(1-D1)^2 Then the k's cancel each other out and the Q3's cancel each other out.

(q1)/(d1^2)=(q2)/(1-D1)^2

You meant D1 instead of d1, did you not? (q1)/(D1^2)=(q2)/(1-D1)^2 is correct. Cancel the factors 10^-6 . Take the reciprocal of both sides, expand the square, move everything to one side and solve the quadratic equation. You get two roots, exclude the one not between 0 and 1.

jmr423 said:
Another thing
if Q1 had a smaller and opposite charge compared to Q2, the equation would be?
(q1)/(d1^2)=(q2)/(1+D1)^2

Q1/D1^2=(q2)/(1+D1)^2 is the correct one.
 
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Thank you very much :P. I'm not 100% on solving quadratics however I have a 600 page math textbook that I'm working through right now that will cover it. My physics class is 1 year ahead of my math class. :S
 
Oh. Do not read all that 600 pages. If you have an equation of form ax2+bx+c=0 the solutions are

[tex]x_{1,2}=\frac{-b\pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}[/tex] Can you manage?

ehild
 
ehild said:
Oh. Do not read all that 600 pages. If you have an equation of form ax2+bx+c=0 the solutions are

[tex]x_{1,2}=\frac{-b\pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}[/tex] Can you manage?

ehild

Thank you very much, i will play around with it however i am not to familiar with radicals so I'm not sure if i will be able to get through it :S
 
Oh. Your Physics class is very much ahead of your Maths class. The square root of a number x is the non-negative number denoted by √x which multiplied by itself gives out x.

√x * √x = x.

√4=2 , as 2*2=4
√100=10 as 10*10 = 100.

You certainly find a key on your calculator that corresponds to the square root operator.



ehild
 

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