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Containment efforts for the COVID-19 Coronavirus are facing significant challenges, with experts suggesting that it may no longer be feasible to prevent its global spread. The virus has a mortality rate of approximately 2-3%, which could lead to a substantial increase in deaths if it becomes as widespread as the flu. Current data indicates around 6,000 cases, with low mortality rates in areas with good healthcare. Vaccine development is underway, but it is unlikely to be ready in time for the current outbreak, highlighting the urgency of the situation. As the outbreak evolves, the healthcare system may face considerable strain, underscoring the need for continued monitoring and response efforts.
  • #901
russ_watters said:
On Sunday, I bought Flyers hockey tickets for a game in 3 weeks. Not only did I overpay for what should have been a good game, it's now very unlikely to be held. The NBA postponed the rest of its season last night and I would expect the NHL to follow suit today or soon.
So, this happened fast; Yesterday, basically every non-essential/recreational gathering of more than a few dozen people in the US was cancelled/postponed for the next two weeks at least(and likely much longer) That's every professional sports league (except NASCAR, which will run without fans), college athletics, amusement parks, Broadway theater, etc. A notable exception is movie theaters, but that will likely change.

Most schools are still open, but in my county they are all closed. Others will likely follow rapidly.

That felt so casual. I'll repeat it:
Yesterday, basically every non-essential/recreational gathering of more than a few dozen people in the US was cancelled/postponed for the next two weeks at least.
 
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  • #902
russ_watters said:
Most schools are still open, but in my county they are all closed.
My county schools are closed as well. [Maryland, U.S.]. Traffic is noticibly lighter than normal.

Haven't been to the grocery store in a couple of days. Last time in was nothing special. We had a year's supply of TP stashed away prior to the current situation, so no worries there. My plan is to avoid binge buying -- leave stuff for the folks who need it more urgently. We'll get by.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Haven't been the the grocery store in a couple of days. Last time in was nothing special. We had a year's supply of TP stashed away prior to the current situation, so no worries there. My plan is to avoid binge buying -- leave stuff for the folks who need it more urgently. We'll get by.
I stocked up on food on Tuesday, but didn't buy extra toilet paper (it was available). That was before Cancellation Thursday, and the supermarket was well stocked(except for cleaning supplies) and and not crowded. I may make a beer run this afternoon...
 
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I live near the airport of Shenzhen (one of the largest city in Southern China). Restuarants are allowed to have customers dining in tonight, as opposed to takeways only. Looks like a good sign, hopefully it isn't premature.
 
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  • #905
hagopbul said:
Hello all:

Dose Covid-19 transport by insects?

Hagop

No. Diseases that spread via insects (e.g. malaria, Zika, Dengue) involve organisms or viruses that have evolved specifically to be able to inhabit both the host insect species and humans (indeed, many mosquito-borne illnesses are carried only by specific species of mosquito). If the virus has not evolved to survive in an insect host, it cannot be transmitted by insects (e.g. even though HIV is a blood-borne virus, it does not survive in mosquitoes or other blood-sucking insects and there are no cases of people being infected with HIV from insects). As far as I know, there are no insect-borne coronaviruses, and there would be no reason to think that coronaviruses could evolve to be insect-borne.

There could be a small possibility that a virus-carrying droplet could land on an insect that could transmit the virus to others, this would require close contact between people where either direct or indirect (e.g. through touching contaminated surfaces) contact with droplets would also pose a high risk of transmission. Therefore, the risk of an insects contributing to increased transmission of the Covid-19 virus is basically zero.
 
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  • #906
Brazilian president who shook Donald Trump's hand is POSITIVE for coronavirus
 
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"Italy has already asked to activate the European Union Mechanism of Civil Protection for the supply of medical equipment for individual protection. But, unfortunately, not a single EU country responded to the Commission’s call. Only China responded bilaterally. Certainly, this is not a good sign of European solidarity."

- Maurizio Massari, Italian Permanent Representative to the European Union

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-needs-europe-help/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 
  • #908
kadiot said:
Brazilian president who shook Donald Trump's hand is POSITIVE for coronavirus
Do you have a reliable source for this?
 
  • #911
hagopbul said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracorporeal_membrane_oxygenation?wprov=sfla1

Could this technology effect the treatment of covid-19
I don't understand your question. The article specifically SAYS that it is useful for the treatment of Covid-19, so what really is your questions? If you mean could it effect how well the world deals with Covid-19 then I doubt it. Likely nowhere near enough units to be of much use.

In fact, had you read the article all the way you would have seen that it clearly answered that question with NO:
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phinds said:
I don't understand your question. The article specifically SAYS that it is useful for the treatment of Covid-19, so what really is your questions? If you mean could it effect how well the world deals with Covid-19 then I doubt it. Likely nowhere near enough units to be of much use.

I will edit my question one minute , you are correct it was not clear
 
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I wonder what the plots we're looking at really mean? Is it more about the dynamics of testing kit production, and testing restrictions? That in combination with non-community spread?

I mean, suppose half the population had it from the start, then what would the evolution of confirmed cases look like?
 
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Re: Bolsonaro

https://time.com/5802494/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-coronavirus/

Nope, he tested negative.
 
  • #916
It is 3:40PM Eastern, March 13. News feed says Trump is about to declare a national state of emergency.

Buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
 
  • #917
Re: That video of Dr. Amy Acton. I really need to learn sign language. The person doing the signs seems to know things that nobody else in the vid is aware of.
 
  • #918
Hi, they spray our elevators every one hour. And other common areas. Our public areas were also bombarded by sprays. What do they usually use? Are these just alcohol, or what kind of chemical? Are these chemical safe when we breath them in?
 
  • #920
russ_watters said:
I stocked up on food on Tuesday, but didn't buy extra toilet paper (it was available). That was before Cancellation Thursday, and the supermarket was well stocked(except for cleaning supplies) and and not crowded. I may make a beer run this afternoon...

Be careful out there!

Cases are growing.

Lots of people doing "late" stockpiling too. I haven't worked the past two days and did some shopping. Stores are packed and essential supplies are fading.

Dollar Tree is the ONLY store I know with hand sanitizers (gel) and wipes. I was there this AM...3 hours later the gel was gone (but wipes still available). They limited 5/person on the gels.

Chlorox bleach is GONE from every store I know. Dollar Tree (noticing a pattern, lol?) has some generic brand bleach (names I've never ever ever heard of).

Floss is gone at Walmart/Target...Dollar Tree had like 100 of them.

Hoping we can get drive-thru testing soon, as promised by Trump. I'm worried I have it. Breathing is difficult and coughing a lot.
 
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chirhone said:
Hi, they spray our elevators every one hour. And other common areas. Our public areas were also bombarded by sprays. What do they usually use? Are these just alcohol, or what kind of chemical? Are these chemical safe when we breath them in?
Very likely a water solution of bleach for outside use. Inside it could be a solution of surfactants and one or more quats. Not safe, especially if the worker spraying it has taken steps like a Tyvek suit, gloves taped to sleeves, headgear, respirator, etc...
 
  • #922
Greg Bernhardt said:
WI schools just closed until April 6th
And Florida schools until April fools day.
 
  • #924
kyphysics said:
Hoping we can get drive-thru testing soon, as promised by Trump. I'm worried I have it. Breathing is difficult and coughing a lot.

Do you have a regular general practitioner you can call for advice?
While you are not sure if you have it, you should self-isolate to prevent transmitting it to others, as it may case serious illness for some, even though for many it is mild.
 
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kyphysics said:
Hoping we can get drive-thru testing soon, as promised by Trump. I'm worried I have it. Breathing is difficult and coughing a lot.

And your plan is not to see your doctor right away, but instead to wait for drive-through testing? Does this strike you as smart?
 
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atyy said:
Do you have a regular general practitioner you can call for advice?
While you are not sure if you have it, you should self-isolate to prevent transmitting it to others, as it may case serious illness for some, even though for many it is mild.
Yes, I have a primary care doctor.

I am also self-iso-ing.

I also do not have work for at least a couple of weeks. So, this is all-aroudn good.

My main thing I'm trying to figure out is if I feel really ill, but still lucid and able to drive, would it be better to drive myself to an E.R. if things get bad over calling an ambulance?

If I'm not mistaken, calling 911 for am ambulance can cost thousands?
 
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kyphysics said:
Yes, I have a primary care doctor.

I am also self-iso-ing.

I also do not have work for at least a couple of weeks. So, this is all-aroudn good.

My main thing I'm trying to figure out is if I feel really ill, but still lucid and able to drive, would it be better to drive myself to an E.R. if things get bad over calling an ambulance?

If I'm not mistaken, calling 911 for am ambulance can cost thousands?

I'm in Singapore, so don't know how the health system where you are is set up. Where are are you? Can you call your doctor for advice (eg. tell him your symptoms, and ask him what you should do)?
 
  • #928
kyphysics said:
Hoping we can get drive-thru testing soon, as promised by Trump. I'm worried I have it. Breathing is difficult and coughing a lot.
I'm sorry to hear that. I think you should read the WHO (World Health Organization) advice page here:

WHO (World Health Organization) said:
If you have fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical care early

Stay home if you feel unwell. If you have a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention and call in advance. Follow the directions of your local health authority.

Why? National and local authorities will have the most up to date information on the situation in your area. Calling in advance will allow your health care provider to quickly direct you to the right health facility. This will also protect you and help prevent spread of viruses and other infections.

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public
http://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public
 
  • #929
If you feel sick, see a doctor.
If you are asking us if you are healthy enough to drive yourself, how the heck do you expect a bunch of people on the internet to tell?
 
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Italy hits one-day record with 250 new.
 

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  • #931
Ygggdrasil said:
A chart explaining why the number of confirmed cases in the US likely greatly underestimates the actual number of cases (and how countries like South Korea have been more effective in managing the outbreak and keeping death rates low):
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https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/sc.../12/21175034/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-usa
A note of caution* about media-created graphics: The news media excels at creating pretty graphics, but is quite poor at epidemiology and scientific analysis of information in general. So such information should be read with a skeptical eye, not taken at face value. This one has issues and is hard to digest.

The US has certainly bungled the availability of testing, but that graphic -- arranged in what at first glance looks intended to be a worst-to-first order is a "today" (roughly) snapshot that doesn't take into account where the different countries are in the progression of the disease. Quite obviously as the disease spreads throughout a population, more and more people will be tested. For example, the US is something like 10 days behind Italy in terms of absolute numbers infected, and much further than that in per-capita. And while the province of China where the disease originated ranks "second best", that's only because the disease took hold there something like 2 months before anywhere else. I'm sure we've all seen the story about how a doctor trying to raise awareness of the new disease was arrested on Jan 1.

*mostly for others, as I know you have some expertise here...
 
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kyphysics said:
My main thing I'm trying to figure out is if I feel really ill, but still lucid and able to drive, would it be better to drive myself to an E.R. if things get bad over calling an ambulance?

If I'm not mistaken, calling 911 for an ambulance can cost thousands?
Call your doctor and ask. If you can't reach them, call your nearest hospital and ask. Do not just show up in the emergency room.

When you say "an ambulance can cost thousands", I assume that means you are uninsured (also as per a previous thread)? If you can still drive, the hospital may direct you to an outside-the-hospital triage area or just meet you in the parking lot.

Also, while it hasn't been decided yet, it is possible if not likely that the US government will be reimbursing uninsured people for Coronavirus related medical costs:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/p...edical-bills-for-coronavirus-tests-2020-03-10
 
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Jarvis323 said:


I wonder what the plots we're looking at really mean? Is it more about the dynamics of testing kit production, and testing restrictions? That in combination with non-community spread?

I mean, suppose half the population had it from the start, then what would the evolution of confirmed cases look like?

Who is she? It is likely that many more people have it than is known, but with positive test rates in the single digits in most places, it doesn't seem possible for 1% to already be infected. Ohio has 15 confirmed cases in a population of 11.7 million, 65 tests complete and another 159 pending. But we'll know in a week if she was right!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html
https://www.whio.com/news/local/cor...-you-need-know-friday/YpjSqWSijaqILGuNnR7LVO/
 
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russ_watters said:
arranged in what at first glance looks intended to be a worst-to-first order is a "today" (roughly) snapshot that doesn't take into account where the different countries are in the progression of the disease.

Exactly.

First, the Voxsplainers have an axe to grind in general.

Second, cases per million (currently about 6 for the US) shows a different story - as you say, the US is in an earlier phase of the epidemiology. The most similar in that regard is Japan, the second "worst". However, Japan also has the highest elderly dependency ratio in the world - 48%! That's twice the US's 24%. Given that this is fatal primarily to the elderly, the relative rsponses of the two countries are more similar than the raw numbers indicate. (Indeed, I think the elderly population is a more relevant number than total population in this regard)
 
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In just one week. Our positives have increased from 3 to an incredible 64! Tonight the Lockdown will begin. I am expecting to see this in tv:

"This is not a test. This is your emergency broadcast system announcing the commencement of the Lockdown, sanctioned by the government. Workers outside have been authorized to enter during the Lockdown. All other people are restricted. Government officials of high ranking have been granted immunity from the Lockdown and shall not be arrested. Commencing at the siren, any and all mass garhering, including wedding parties will be illegal for 1 continuous month. Police, fire, and emergency medical services will always be available. Blessed be our New Founding Fathers and America, a nation reborn. May God be with you all."

I imagine the sirens blare across the capital, and the Lockdown begins.
 
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Question for the thread concerning re-infection. Realizing data remains incomplete, do we have any reliable information on Covid-19 survivors becoming reinfected or reinfecting themselves?

This likely involves how and if recovered patients develop antibodies and immunity to the pathogen. Thanks.
 
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Jarvis323 said:


I wonder what the plots we're looking at really mean? Is it more about the dynamics of testing kit production, and testing restrictions? That in combination with non-community spread?

I mean, suppose half the population had it from the start, then what would the evolution of confirmed cases look like?

What's special about Ohio? Why is it being brought up by so many?
 
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russ_watters said:
Who is she? It is likely that many more people have it than is known, but with positive test rates in the single digits in most places, it doesn't seem possible for 1% to already be infected. Ohio has 15 confirmed cases in a population of 11.7 million, 65 tests complete and another 159 pending. But we'll know in a week if she was right!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html
https://www.whio.com/news/local/cor...-you-need-know-friday/YpjSqWSijaqILGuNnR7LVO/



"I very respectfully disagree with the estimate of 100k #COVID19 infections in Ohio put forth by the @OHdeptofhealth. As far as I can ascertain from the press coverage (https://news5cleveland.com/news/con...says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus), this number comes from extrapolating from 2 community cases detected."

Trevor Bedford is an Associate Member at the Fred Hutch in the https://www.fredhutch.org/en/labs/vaccine-and-infectious-disease.html and the https://www.fredhutch.org/en/labs/phs/projects/herbold-computational-biology-program.html. He is also an Affiliate Associate Professor in the Department of Genome Sciences and the Department of Epidemiology at the University of Washington.
 
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WWGD said:
What's special about Ohio?

Because of the press conference, where based on 14 cases (and zero deaths, so I can't say "four dead in Ohio"), they inferred 100,000 people infected. That's newsworthy.
 
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kyphysics said:
If I'm not mistaken, calling 911 for am ambulance can cost thousands?
My son had to use an ambulance and after his insurance paid whatever IT paid, he was stuck with a bill for $1,500 and I've heard of worse. Check with your insurance company.
 
  • #942
chirhone said:
In just one week. Our positives have increased from 3 to an incredible 64! Tonight the Lockdown will begin.
Yesterdat lots of people fleeing Metro Manila. Looks like it defeats the purpose of a "community quarantine" (a.k.a. lockdown). President Duterte should have declared it effective immediately. Looks like the people were given enough to bring the virus to different provinces.
 
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kadiot said:
Yesterdat lots of people fleeing Metro Manila. Looks like it defeats the purpose of a "community quarantine" (a.k.a. lockdown). President Duterte should have declared it effective immediately. Looks like the people were given enough to bring the virus to different provinces.
That's not good.
 
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kadiot said:
Yesterdat lots of people fleeing Metro Manila. Looks like it defeats the purpose of a "community quarantine" (a.k.a. lockdown). President Duterte should have declared it effective immediately. Looks like the people were given enough to bring the virus to different provinces.

Today March 14, the last day before the lockdown. There are even greater lineups at the bus terminals for those escaping the lockdown. I even know some rushing to get out of the city. The fear is lack of food as the groceries are near empty now. The rich or those who can afford are stocking up. The poor can't stock anything. So there may be trouble in days ahead.

https://news.mb.com.ph/2020/03/13/p...ces-or-back-to-manila-before-lockdown-starts/

Also during the lockdown itself. People or workers from provinces can still get in and out of the lockdown daily, if they have company identification cards to show to police checkpoints (they enter lockdown at morning, get out at night, then back daily). I don't know what would happen if the people getting out of the lockdown has virus. They can spread it to other cities outside the zone.

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1096493

Note the above is about workers getting in and out of the lockdown zone daily.

In Italy. I heard it was now so spread with over 10,000 positives because before the lockdown of the north. There was leak of it, and people ran to the south, and spread the virus to the entire country. Now Italy is suffering. Hope the outcome here is better. The hope is that those in exodus outside the lockdown yesterday and today don't carry the virus.
 
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chirhone said:
Today March 14, the last day before the lockdown. There are even greater lineups at the bus terminals for those escaping the lockdown. I even know some rushing to get out of the city. The fear is lack of food as the groceries are near empty now. The rich or those who can afford are stocking up. The poor can't stock anything. So there may be trouble in days ahead.

https://news.mb.com.ph/2020/03/13/p...ces-or-back-to-manila-before-lockdown-starts/

Also during the lockdown itself. People or workers from provinces can still get in and out of the lockdown daily, if they have company identification cards to show to police checkpoints (they enter lockdown at morning, get out at night, then back daily). I don't know what would happen if the people getting out of the lockdown has virus. They can spread it to other cities outside the zone.

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1096493

Note the above is about workers getting in and out of the lockdown zone daily.

In Italy. I heard it was now so spread with over 10,000 positives because before the lockdown of the north. There was leak of it, and people ran to the south, and spread the virus to the entire country. Now Italy is suffering. Hope the outcome here is better. The hope is that those in exodus outside the lockdown yesterday and today don't carry the virus.
Key points from President Duterte's press conference:

1. Provincial quarantine if more than 2 positive COVID-19 cases

2. Work in executive dept. is suspended, except for skeletal staff

3. Flexble work arrangement encouraged in private sector. Manufacturing and retail businesses encouraged to stay open with social distancing and minimal work force

4. Mass public transport shall continue operation with social distancing

5. Domestic air, sea and land transport suspended from March 15, 2020 (12 midnight) to April 14, 2020, subject to the review of inter-agency task force.

6. Code alert is now raised to Sublevel 2, highest level

7. Stringent social distancing measures in NCR for 30 days

8. Suspension of classes in all levels in Metro Manila until April 12, 2020. Stay at home and study

9. Mass gatherings, either planned or spontaneous,...shall be prohibited during this period. If social distancing is no longer obeyed, if rules are disobeyed, this is punishable under the penal code and can be arrested by military and police

10. Community quarantine is hereby imposed in the entire of Metro Manila

11. In other areas, LGUs can impose localized quarantine

12. Baranggay-wide quarantine is advised if there are 2 or more COVID-19 cases

13. Municipality or city wide quarantine advised if 2 positive COVID-19 cases or more

14. Not enough military and police to cover the whole country. Barangay Captain is the police. Bgy. Captain can also go to prison if they don't enforce these regulations.

15. Close monitoring and reassessment of these regulations after 7 days from today

16. LGUs outside NCR advised to exercise sound discretion to suspend classes, but does not allow you to suspend classes for trivial reasons

17. PNP and AFP shall be called upon for effective and orderly implementation of above measures. This is not martial law. Do not be afraid of the PNP and AFP. They are there to help you.

18. Daily meetings of Inter Agency Task Force (IATF) and all relevant agencies

19. In social disturbance, military will keep order

20. OFWs allowed to travel to Mainland China except to Hubei

21. If things detrioriate, we may have to ask for China's help

22. Entry travel restriction imposed to all countries with COVID-19 cases, exept for Filipinos and their families, permanent visa holders and diplomats

23. Purpose of this is to protect and defend you from COVID-19

24. AFP and PNP will maintain peace and order. Just follow.

25. Our COVID-19 cases relatively low but fast to rise. You will be asked to go to the hospital and seek treatment.

26. COVID-19 tests are free

27. I ask for your patience. Help each other. Everything is placed in jeopardy.
 
  • #948
Sorry this is taken from a tabloid again. Fact-check, please.

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The lack of widespread testing for the Coronavirus is “a failing” of the U.S. public health system, the government’s top infectious disease scientists told lawmakers, even as the nation’s surgeon general said separately that not everyone needs to get tested. “The system is not really geared to what we need right now -- what you’re asking for -- that is a failing,” said Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “It is a failing. Let’s admit it.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-is-unable-to-handle-large-volume-virus-tests
 
  • #949
Scientists have now shown that the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (#ACE2) receptor serves as the binding site for SARSCoV2, the Coronavirus implicated in the current #COVID19 outbreak.

👨‍🔬 The outbreak only began late December / early January but within a short period of time, scientist have come up with information that traditionally takes much longer. ScienceMatters

👩‍⚕️ Since this landmark study was published, some have suggested that angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) like Losartan can prevent COVID-2019 infection. It’s important to remember that ACE inhibitors and ARBs DO NOT ACT on this receptor directly, so they are not going to affect the activity of the #virus for these cells. The proposed interactions of ACE inhibitors and ARBs with the virus is purely HYPOTHETICAL with no reliable data to justify any deviation from current practice guidelines.

🙅‍♂️ This practice, besides being useless to prevent COVID-2019 infection, may be harmful, leading to inappropriate drug treatments and risk of adverse events, or may instill dangerous over-confidence against the infection risk.

💁‍♀️ Patients should continue to receive these medications if indicated for their cardiovascular condition. There is no evidence for extra benefit or extra harm in these patients.
 
  • #950
kadiot said:
22. Entry travel restriction imposed to all countries with COVID-19 cases, exept for Filipinos and their families, permanent visa holders and diplomats
Do you have an article about this? Would be useful for Wikipedia's list.
 

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