Creating a Flying Device Using Vacuum Lift

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a flying device using vacuum lift, similar to a blimp but smaller and more agile. Participants explore the mechanics of lift generated by vacuum systems, structural integrity, and the design challenges associated with such a project.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a vacuum system to adjust lift and control descent, seeking information on the lift capacity of a square foot of vacuum.
  • Another participant asserts that a square foot of vacuum does not provide lift, clarifying that lift is related to the weight of the air displaced by a cubic foot of vacuum.
  • A participant mentions the construction of titanium orbs designed to withstand atmospheric pressure, indicating a setback in their guidance system due to a programming error regarding lift capacity.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of creating lighter-than-air structures that can withstand atmospheric pressure without lighter-than-air gases, suggesting that it is a difficult endeavor.
  • A further contribution calculates that for buoyancy, the weight of the orbs must be less than the weight of the air they displace, providing specific figures related to the dimensions and weight requirements for the orbs to lift a specified load.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using vacuum for lift, with some supporting the idea while others highlight significant challenges and limitations. There is no consensus on the practicality of the proposed design.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions regarding the weight and structural integrity of the orbs, as well as the calculations related to lift and buoyancy. The discussion reflects uncertainties in the design and engineering aspects of the project.

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I'm working on a project with several others to create a flying device much like a blimp, but smaller and more agile. Our method of life is eighther a light gas like helium or preferablly, a Vacuum system that ajusts the % of vacuum inside a set space to provide lift and control decent. The system itself has been planned and construction has began, but for our computer guidance system I need to know exactlly how much lift a Square foot of Vacuum can provide so we don't end up crahing. Does anyone know the figure or the equation to find it. I've seached, but have always been directed to scuba sites. Please help.
 
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A square foot of vacuum doesn't give you any lift.
A cubic foot of vacuum will give lift eault to the weight of a cubic foot of air, 1m^3 of air is around 1.3kg.

Good luck designing a lightweight structure that can support itself against the air pressure.
 
Thank-you, We've created a titanium orb with an intricate interior support structure that has proven strong enough to withstand 28 psi for up to 10 hours at total vacuum. There will be four of these orbs suspending a cockpit. Unfortunately our guidance system will have to be redesigned becasue I incorrectly programmed it to accept operate on one constant lifting capacity. I now realize my bluster. This mistake will set us back months, but that's my fault thanks for your help.
 
Dalgo said:
We've created a titanium orb with an intricate interior support structure that has proven strong enough to withstand 28 psi for up to 10 hours at total vacuum.

I bet your orbs (with support structures) are heavier than air. As far as I know, nobody has ever built lighter-than-air structures that can withstand atmospheric pressure and do not contain any lighter-than-air gases. I am not saying it is impossible, but it's really difficult.
 
A cubic metre of air weighs about 1.2 kg.

If your orbs contained a cubic metre of vacuum, their entire structure would have to weight less than 1.2kg in order for them to be buoyant.

To lift a 70kg man, and (we'll say, optimistically) 30kg of structure, your 4 orbs will have to enclose 83m^3 of vacuum, making them each about 3m in diameter.

You orbs will have to each weigh about 5kg, be 3m in diameter and still withstand 10 tons of pressure per square metre.
 

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