Creating a 'Heat Wave' Look Without Mixing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around creating a visual 'heat wave' effect using different liquid combinations, focusing on the challenges of achieving this without mixing the substances. Participants explore various materials and methods, including glycerin, hydrocarbons, and salt solutions, while considering the implications of refractive index and solubility.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant experimented with glycerin and water but found that glycerin is miscible in water, leading to a loss of the desired effect.
  • Another suggested using hexanes, a less viscous hydrocarbon, as a potential solution.
  • Some participants argued that a gradient of refractive index can only be achieved if one substance dissolves in another, leading to phase separation issues.
  • Several participants expressed interest in using hydrocarbons like kerosene or baby oil, but noted that previous attempts with water resulted in globules rather than the desired effect.
  • There was a discussion about using butane, with warnings about safety and the challenges of maintaining it as a liquid at room temperature.
  • One participant shared their experience with saturated NaCl solutions and THF, noting that they achieved a milky effect with salt but struggled to maintain the heat wave appearance.
  • Concerns were raised regarding the stability and safety of using pure THF versus stabilized THF, particularly in artistic applications.
  • Participants discussed the potential of using toluene and the challenges of sourcing chemicals at reasonable prices.
  • There were inquiries about the reaction of NaCl with stabilizers in THF and the implications for the effectiveness of the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on a single effective solution for achieving the heat wave effect without mixing. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, with ongoing exploration of various substances and methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants noted limitations related to the miscibility of substances, the need for specific conditions to maintain phase separation, and the safety concerns associated with certain chemicals. The discussion reflects a variety of experimental approaches and the challenges inherent in achieving the desired visual effect.

  • #31
Nemus said:
I have noticedthat somewhat surprisinlgly you can see these refractive index whorls in concentrated solutions of polyethyleneglycol solutions. Even old ones in sealed flasks that should be homogenous. My theory is that the selective accumulation of water vapor in the headspace is enough to cause some swirls. High Mw polyethyleneglycol can be bought as a laxative under various brand names. I think the generic name is macrogol.
Liquids that are imiscilble will not give the effect. However, you can get something like it if you match the density of two imiscible liquids. Water + dichloromethane (or even more toxic chloroform) + heptane (less toxic than hexane) would work. Silicone oil + a strong salt solution (sodium chloride may not be soluble enough so CaCl2 may have to be used)may also be an alternative but then I am only guessing.

Silicone oil! That's brilliant, and it actually could work wth Glycerin...

You can get that in any hardware store, as a spray often. Ventilate, but yeah... that's pretty damned clever.

I wonder if mixing that with Scotch Guard or Teflon spray would yield a similar result once the fumes boil-out.
 

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