Creating a heated Vacuum chamber.

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The discussion revolves around the construction of a heated vacuum chamber intended for housing silica gel. Participants explore materials, design considerations, and heating methods suitable for maintaining the required temperatures while ensuring structural integrity and effective insulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is concerned about the suitability of PVC for high temperatures (180-200 deg F) and is seeking advice on using CPVC instead.
  • Another participant suggests that if the vacuum is sufficient, the walls may not heat up significantly, especially if lined with aluminum foil, drawing an analogy to thermos flasks.
  • There is a discussion about the need for insulation and the challenges of standoff designs to prevent thermal conduction, with one participant questioning the effectiveness of foam in a vacuum.
  • Fiberglass is proposed as a practical insulation material due to its low thermal conductivity and ease of use, with suggestions for constructing support rings for the silica gel trays.
  • Concerns are raised about the wall thickness required to withstand pressure loads for a chamber of approximately 40 gallons, likening its size to that of an oil drum.
  • Participants discuss the importance of spreading the silica gel in thin layers for effective drying and the potential need for stacked trays.
  • There are recommendations for using aluminum foil to keep the walls cool and maintain heat, along with advice on ensuring cleanliness of the walls.
  • One participant mentions that a rotary backing pump should suffice for maintaining the vacuum, without the necessity for extremely high vacuum levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on materials and design strategies, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to constructing the vacuum chamber. Multiple competing ideas about insulation and heating methods remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a definitive conclusion on the optimal materials or designs for the vacuum chamber, and there are unresolved questions regarding the structural integrity and thermal management of the proposed system.

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Not sure whether this would be better in materials or mechanical.

I'm building a vacuum chamber which is going to house silica gel, I've got a prototype made out of PVC, but I'm afraid of running it up to 180-200 deg F to regenerate the silica. For the large scale I'm going to need to build a chamber to house around 40 gallons of silica gel, I will have a better estimate once I play around with the prototype some more. Oh and I plan on using multiple tubes rather than a single pressure vessel.

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with heating CPVC. I know it will do better by looking at the pressure temperature tables, but is this a reasonable solution? Is there something better?
Thanks.
 
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If the vacuum is good enough the walls shouldn't get hot, especially if you line them with aluminium foil - remember thermos flasks!

Assuming you put the heater coils directly on the containers of silica gell and are carefull to insulate the tanks from the walls, ie. use fibreglass standoffs. But 40 gallons seems quite large, are you sure about the thickness of the walls to survive the pressure load?
 
Insulating the walls is a great idea, but that leaves me with finding a way to standoff the liner from the vessel. Darn that thermal conduction. Foam won't work due to the vacuum. Darn that thermal conduction. Any suggestions? Or should a foil liner fly for these temperatures?

If nobody has any experience I'm going to go create some.
 
Fibreglass is easiest, cheap, simple to cut, drill and glue and has low thermal conductivity.
Normal way is to build a couple of rings that fit the inside diameter of the tube with thin arms to hold the tray. You can get vacuum tight feedthroughs for the power to the heater but unless you want superhigh vac you can just use a waterproof connector and lots of epoxy!
Be careful about the insulation on the heater wire. Without any air to conduct the heat away the wires will heat up a lot more, it's best to overrate the cables.

40 gallons is about the size of an oil drum and you need a vacuum jacket around that, plus you really want the silica spread in a thin layer to effectively dry it. You might have to make a series of stacked trays with 2-3 inch deep layers of silica on them.

Foil will help keep the walls cool and keep the heat in, plus you want the walls to be clean. Aluminium foil held on with double sided sticky tape is common in vacuum dewars - you might have to make pin holes in the foil to let out any air caught behind it.

ps. Don't worry about creating a really high vacuum, you will need to run the pump continually to draw the water vapour out anyway, a rotary backing pump shoudl be fine.
 

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