Creating a square wave with current strong enough to light a powerful LED

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around creating a square wave signal to power a high-intensity LED, specifically aiming for a 5 milliseconds on and 12 milliseconds off cycle. Participants explore various circuit design options, including the use of a 555 timer and transistors, while considering efficiency and cost-effectiveness.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about using a 555 timer to generate the desired square wave and whether a transistor would be necessary to increase current.
  • Another participant suggests that the 555 timer's charging and discharging characteristics may limit the ability to achieve the desired timing, proposing the use of a diode to speed up charge time or a second timer to invert the signal.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of LED drivers from various manufacturers, which utilize switching technology to optimize performance.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a cost-effective solution while also seeking precision in the circuit design.
  • Questions arise regarding the amount of current needed for the LED and how to effectively connect the LED once the square wave is established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to create the square wave or the optimal components to use, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions regarding circuit design.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in their understanding of circuit components and configurations, as well as the need for energy efficiency in the design. There are also references to specific formulas and circuit diagrams that may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electronics, particularly those working on LED projects, circuit design, or seeking to understand the use of timers and transistors in generating waveforms.

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Hello! I haven't touched base in electronics in about a year (only took one course too)

I'm currently working on a project and I'm wondering what the best solution might be to creating a square wave which is 5 milliseconds high, 12 milliseconds low (low as in ground not negative voltage).

This square wave most power an LED from on of those powerful LED flashlights. The LED itself has to be on 5 milliseconds off 12 milliseconds.

What do you think is the best way of doing this? Again really rusty on this stuff... Would a 555 be able to do this? - with a transistor to up the current?

The LED light itself was originally hooked up to 3 AAA batteries (4.5 V total)
and the circuit was a simple Vin -> 0.75 Ohm Resistor (purple -green - silver -gold)-> LED >- ground.

do transistors switch on and off as rapid as I would like? or would they lag behind and not fully drop the voltage or raise it for the LED?

Any other efficient cost effective solutions are welcome. :D
If someone could even provide a schematic I would be indebted to them (or because I know the layout of the 555 - just what values to use) - also.. I sort of forgot how to even use transistors correctly.. or I am using them and I'm just not sure O.o... Pitiful.

thanks,

Lith
 
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from jost looking at these formulas:
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/6/2/a62b875aeb779e3c160ba5eef1de33f5.png[/URL]
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/b/9/5b928ccff98539e6b678d2dd3ca0b553.png[/URL]

It appears you can't have the high value be less then the low one... if the 555 is rigged this way:
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/555_Astable_Diagram.svg/220px-555_Astable_Diagram.svg.png[/URL]

Help?
 
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Well set aside the formulas for a minute and think about how the 555 works.

the cap charges through both resistors but discharges through only one.

And the 555 inverts, so while cap is low(charging) output is high. That's why high can't be less than low, it charges slower than it discharges. Do formulae agree with that?

I see two ways around your dilemma:

What if you bypassed R2 with a diode/resistor combo to speed up charge time?

What if yu used a second timer (556 is two timers in one package) as an inverter? Tie second one's TRIG and THR together and to first one's OUT, set first one for 5 low 12 high and let second one invert? That'd be more precise because no diode drop in timing circuit.

old jim
 
Thanks! I'll try the two 555s in the morning (its 2am now -_-)

If it doesn't work out well do you think there are any other alternatives?
I am really looking for cost effective method (if I'm making a bunch but I also want it to be precise).

Would it be possible to use a 741? Just throwing ideas around... the more I play around the more I learn.

Also what is the best way to hook up the LED once I have the square wave I want going?

Thanks again,

Lith

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I am also trying to use the least amount of energy possible to run this circuit.
 
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how much current do you want to put through the LED?

Look into LED Drivers madeby TI, National, Linear Technology
they use switching technology for maximum efficiency - remember energy is stored in inductor vs dissipated in a resistor...
 
Well in my first post i said i got the LED from a LED flashlight being powered by 3 AAA batteries (look back at it for more info). The light was pretty bright though.. 120 Lumens I think?

If I set up the 555s what could I do to get the full power from those batteries to power the LED (again using the square wave) 5 milliseconds on 12 off.

I'm looking up the LED Drivers.

Thanks,

Lith
 

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