CSA of cable for Motor with VSD

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The discussion focuses on calculating the correct cable size for an 18.5 kW, 400V motor using a variable speed drive (VSD). The user employs ELEK Cable Pro software, which suggests a 16mm cable for Direct-On-Line (DOL) and 10mm for other configurations, but the user considers 6mm acceptable with a Type C 32A MCB. Key calculations indicate that for a 40A Type B MCB, a 10mm cable is adequate, especially when considering the voltage drop and cable carrying capacity as per BS 7671 standards.

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I normally use ELEK Cable Pro to calculate my cable sizes and it works very well however I have a project at the moment which has a circuit which I need help calculating the correct size cable for;The circuit is for an 18.5kw 400v motor. I have used the following

Load – 18.5kw

V- 400v

Efficiency – 90%

PF – 0.95

Voltage Drop – 5%

Cable Length – 50mtr

Earthing – TN-C-S

Correction factor – 0.9

Protective device type B 40A

Installation – In cable duct

Cable Type – 4 core armoured XLPE
My problem is that the software gives the option of 5 different circuit arrangements

1. Radial

2. Sub Mains

3. Ring

4. Motor DOL

5. Motor Star-Delta
My motor is using a variable speed drive, which isn’t an option. If I use the software and select DOL then it tells me 16mm cable but any of the other options gives me 10mm.

In my experience I would think 6mm would be ok if the MCB had been a Type C 32A but I didn’t supply the panel and it is a 40A B type which I am stuck with.

Can anyone advise?

I would think if I select Motor star-delta in the software and use a 10mm cable then my cable report would be okay and I would be covered?
 
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1)If the MCB it is for overload protection the Iz[cable carrying capacity]of the cable has not to be more than MCB In[rated].So, the cable has to withstand at least 40 A.

In my opinion, the installation method [BS 7671 Table 4A2 pos.70] has to be D.

According to Table 4E4A column 7 for 20oC Earth and 2.5 K.m/W resistivity 4*10 mm^2 XLPE insulated copper conductors Iz=58 A. If the correction factor-for other Earth resistivity and/or other temperature [more than 20oC] is 0.9 then Iz= 52.2 A.

2) According to Table 4E4B column 4 the voltage drop will be 4 [mV/A/m].

If the motor starting method will be D.O.L. the Istart/In= 6-8 and the voltage drop for 4*10 copper will be 9.5-12.5%.

However, if VSD-variable speed drive- is actually VFD[variable frequency drive] then Istart/In =<1.5.then the voltage drop will be only 2.34%.
 
Babadag said:
1)If the MCB it is for overload protection the Iz[cable carrying capacity]of the cable has not to be more than MCB In[rated].So, the cable has to withstand at least 40 A.

In my opinion, the installation method [BS 7671 Table 4A2 pos.70] has to be D.

According to Table 4E4A column 7 for 20oC Earth and 2.5 K.m/W resistivity 4*10 mm^2 XLPE insulated copper conductors Iz=58 A. If the correction factor-for other Earth resistivity and/or other temperature [more than 20oC] is 0.9 then Iz= 52.2 A.

2) According to Table 4E4B column 4 the voltage drop will be 4 [mV/A/m].

If the motor starting method will be D.O.L. the Istart/In= 6-8 and the voltage drop for 4*10 copper will be 9.5-12.5%.

However, if VSD-variable speed drive- is actually VFD[variable frequency drive] then Istart/In =<1.5.then the voltage drop will be only 2.34%.
Iz[cable carrying capacity]of the cable has not to be more than MCB In has to be "not less" instead of " more" of course!:blushing:

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/csa-of-cable-for-motor-with-vsd.884052/
 

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