Curious about the answer in this voltage question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the electric potential at the center of a semicircular rod with a uniform charge distribution. The rod has a total charge of -9.00 µC and a length of 10.0 cm, and participants are exploring the implications of electric potential being a scalar quantity.

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  • Participants discuss the simplicity of calculating electric potential using a specific formula and question the relevance of direction in this context. There is an exploration of the concept of "counteraction" between different sections of the charge distribution and whether it affects the potential.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the nature of electric potential and electric fields, noting that while electric fields can cancel, potentials do not. The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking to deepen their understanding of these concepts.

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There is a mention of the charge density and the need to sum potentials from differential elements of the semicircle, indicating that participants are considering the integration of contributions to the total potential.

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Homework Statement


A uniformly charged insulating rod of length 10.0 cm is bent into the shape of a semicircle as shown in the figure below. The rod has a total charge of -9.00 µC. Find the electric potential at O, the center of the semicircle.
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Homework Equations


V=keQ/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I already found the answer. It is as simple as plugging in the radius and charge into the relevant equation I wrote. However, why? I don't really understand. At first I was thinking that I have to find the electric field or something and integrate using that one formula, but why is it this simple? Is direction completely irrelevant?
 
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horsedeg said:
Is direction completely irrelevant?
Yes. Electric potential is a scalar quantity.
 
cnh1995 said:
Yes. Electric potential is a scalar quantity.
I suppose that much should be obvious to me. Let me rephrase. Is there no "counteraction" between the top and bottom? Or am I having some sort of misunderstanding?
 
horsedeg said:
Is there no "counteraction" between the top and bottom? Or am I having some sort of misunderstanding?
The charge is uniformly distributed along the ring. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "counteraction". Electric "fields" from the top and bottom charges will cancel each other directly, if that's what you are thinking of.
 
cnh1995 said:
Electric "fields" from the top and bottom charges will cancel each other directly, if that's what you are thinking of.
Yes this is what I'm thinking of. I was thinking the top and bottom would "cancel" but I guess that's just a misunderstanding of how voltage works?
 
horsedeg said:
Yes this is what I'm thinking of. I was thinking the top and bottom would "cancel" but I guess that's just a misunderstanding of how voltage works?
Electric "fields" will cancel because their directions are opposite. Potentials will not cancel as they have no direction. They will add up (or subtract in case of opposite charges).
 
To be more accurate, the electric field in O will cancel only in the vertical direction . In the horizontal direction there will be electric field in O.

But we are interested in potential. The potential from an element ##dl## of the circumference will be will be ##K\frac{\rho dl}{r}##, where ##\rho=\frac{-9}{10}## charge density and ##\pi r=10## the radius r, and to find the total potential we just sum all the potentials due to all ##dl##s (since direction is irrelevant as you have pointed out cause potential is scalar, we don't take into account the various angles of the various ##dl##s with the horizontal in order to put sine or cosine terms).
 

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