Current 3-form, current density, current vector, etc.

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The discussion revolves around the geometric interpretation of the inhomogeneous microscopic Maxwell equations within the context of differential forms on a spacetime manifold. Participants explore the relationship between current density, current vectors, and their representations as forms, specifically focusing on the definitions and transformations necessary to express these concepts in SI units.

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  • One participant questions the natural interpretation of the vector field representing current density and suggests it could be viewed as the flow of charge.
  • Another participant proposes that the vector field can be interpreted as proportional to the 4-velocity field of a charged fluid, with integral curves representing the worldlines of charged particles.
  • It is noted that the current density can be derived as the Hodge dual of the vector field, leading to a formulation of the inhomogeneous Maxwell equations in terms of forms.
  • A participant discusses the challenges of obtaining the correct factor in the definition of the 3-form representing charge density and expresses confusion regarding the continuity equation.
  • Another participant provides a detailed derivation of the current density in SI units, emphasizing the importance of the metric and the Hodge operator in the calculations.
  • There is mention of an alternative approach starting from covariant Maxwell equations, which some participants suggest may simplify the calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the vector field and the derivation of the current density. While some agree on the general approach of using the Hodge dual, others raise concerns about sign conventions and the correctness of certain transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to derive the current density and the implications of the continuity equation.

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Participants highlight potential issues with sign conventions in the definitions of forms and the continuity equation. There are also references to the complexity of applying the Hodge operator in pseudo-Riemannian manifolds, indicating that the derivations depend heavily on the chosen metric and coordinate system.

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I have been thinking about the Maxwell equations lately and was wondering about their "natural" differential form formulation to get some nice geometric interpretation. This post mainly concerns the inhomogenous microscopic Maxwell equations on some spacetime ##(M,g)##, as the homogenous ones ##d F = 0## just mean that the total electromagnetic flux through a ##2##-surface ##\Omega## does not change under a smooth homotopy of ##\Omega##, i.e.
$$\int\limits_{\Omega} F = \int\limits_{\Omega'} F \, .$$

When one checks out the literature, one often finds the following vector field:
$$ j := j^\mu \, \partial _\mu =
\begin{pmatrix}
\frac{1}{c} \rho\\
\vec{j}
\end{pmatrix} \, .$$
My first question is: What is the natural interpretation of the flow of this vector field?
There are a lot of different formulations one finds in the literature, but I have thought about it for a while and it seems like defining a ##3##-form ##J## out of ##j## to get the total charge in some spacetime region ##\Omega \subseteq M##
$$Q := \int\limits_{\Omega} \, J$$
is most convenient as ##J## can then naturally be interpreted as a charge density in our spacetime. My final questions are: Using this definition, how does one get ##J## from ##j## coordinate independently in SI-units s.t. the above equation holds (using the Cartan derivative, Hodge operator, metric, etc.)? How do the inhomogenous Maxwell equations look like in this form language in SI units?

I tried doing the calculation, but for some reason I always get a wrong factor in the ##J## and the continuity equation ##d J = 0## has the wrong sign.
 
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Geometry_dude said:
My first question is: What is the natural interpretation of the flow of this vector field?

It is proportional to the 4-velocity field of a charged fluid, with the proportionality being the charge density, so you can just interpret the integral curves of the flow as the worldlines of a family of charged particles.

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My final questions are: Using this definition, how does one get ##J## from ##j## coordinate independently in SI-units s.t. the above equation holds? How do the inhomogenous Maxwell equations look like in this form language in SI units?

##J## is just the Hodge dual of ##j##. The inhomogenous Maxwell equations are ##d \star F = 4\pi \star j = 4\pi J##. You can use dimensional analysis to convert this to SI units. It is easy to see that ##Q = -\int _{\Sigma}\star j = -\int _{\Sigma} J## where ##\Sigma## is a space-like hypersurface in space-time with boundary, which may or may not be at spatial infinity.
 
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As WBN said, j is just the hodge duals of the 3-form, as long as you ignore the sign issues (density is usually taken over an unsigned volume, the signed volume of the 3-form will flip sign if you reflect your coordinates).

There's another way of looking at j though, if you have a swarm of particles. In that case it's the number-flux 4-vector, multipled by the charge.

see http://web.mit.edu/edbert/GR/gr2b.pdf
 
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So one could interpret the flow as a "flow of charge", that seems very reasonable, thanks!
As I haven't found this anywhere else, I'll put it together myself, in case other people are wondering the same thing:

First of all, let's recall the local coordinate expression for a k-form ##\alpha## for the hodge operator on pseudo-Riemannian manifolds with metric signature ##(r,s)## (first positive, then negative, ##n=r+s##):
$$\alpha = \frac{1}{k!} \alpha_{i_1 \dots i_k} \, d x^{[i_1 \dots i_k]}$$
$$\implies$$
$$\star \alpha = \frac{(-1)^s}{k! (n-k!)} \, \alpha_{i_1 \dots i_k} \, g^{i_1 j_1} \cdots g^{i_k j_k} \, \varepsilon_{j_1 \dots j_k j_{k+1} \dots j_n} \, \sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert} \, d x^{[j_{k+1} \dots j_n]}$$
(It's a PITA to find the correct formula for pseudo-Riemannian manifolds). Here we took the volume form to be
$$\mu := \frac{1}{n!} \, \sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert} \, dx^{[1\dots n]} \, .$$

For our case we want ##(r,s)=(1,3)##. Then, if we want the total charge on a spacelike ##3##-submanifold (with boundary) ##S## to be
$$Q := c \int\limits_S \, J < \infty\, ,$$
then the current density in SI-units is
$$J = - \, \star (g \cdot j ) = \frac{1}{6} \, \varepsilon_{\nu_0 \nu_1 \nu_2 \nu_3} \, j^{\nu_0} \,
\sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert} \,
d x^{[ \nu_1 \nu_2 \nu_3]}$$
with ##j## defined as above. The dot denotes tensor contraction.
For ##F = \frac{1}{2} \,F_{ij} \, d x^{[ij]}## we get the hodge-dual
$$\star F = - \frac{1}{4} \, \varepsilon^{\nu_0 \nu_1}{}_{\nu_2 \nu_3} \, F_{\nu_0 \nu_1} \, \sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert} \, d x^{[\nu_2 \nu_3]} \, ,$$
hence
$$d \star F = - \frac{1}{4} \varepsilon_{\nu_0 \nu_1 \nu_2 \nu_3} \, \partial_{\beta} \left( F^{\nu_0 \nu_1} \sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert} \right) \, d x^{[\beta \nu_2 \nu_3]} \, .$$
Setting
$$d \star F = b \, J $$
and using the identities for the Levi-Civita Symbol from http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~dmalamen/bio/GR.pdf (thanks again, WannabeNewton !), we get
$$j^\beta = \frac{1}{b \, \sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert}} \, \partial_{\gamma} \left( F^{\beta \gamma} \sqrt{\lvert \det g \rvert}\right)$$
unless I made a sign error.
For the Minkowski metric, we need
$$j^\beta = \frac{1}{\mu_0} \partial_\gamma F^{\gamma \beta}$$
and thus ##b = - \mu_0##.
Hence, in this convention, the Maxwell equations are
$$d F = 0$$
$$d \star F + \mu_0 J = 0$$, which agrees with what WBN said.
Alternatively, the inhomogenous ones read
$$d \star F =\mu_0 \, \star g \cdot j \, .$$
 
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Yes that's one way to do it. You can also start straight from the covariant Maxwell equations. Then the calculation is a lot shorter:

We have ##(^{\star}F)_{ab} = \frac{1}{2}\epsilon_{abcd}F^{cd}## so ##\epsilon^{abef}\nabla_{e}(^{\star}F)_{ab} = \frac{1}{2}\epsilon^{abef}\epsilon_{abcd}\nabla_{e}F^{cd} = -2\nabla_{e}F^{ef} = -8\pi j^{f}##.
Hence ##\epsilon_{fjki}\epsilon^{feab}\nabla_{e}(^{\star}F)_{ab} = -6\nabla_{[j}(^{\star}F)_{ki]}= -8\pi\epsilon_{fjki} j^{f} = -8\pi(^{\star}j)_{jki}##
therefore ##3\nabla_{[a}(^{\star}F)_{bc]} = d(^{\star}F)_{abc} = 4\pi(^{\star}j)_{abc}## i.e. ##d(^{\star}F) = 4\pi(^{\star}j)##.

Because ##\nabla^{a}j_{a} = 0## in any space-time, we can then apply Stokes' theorem to a space-time region ##\Omega \subseteq M## bounded by two space-like hypersurfaces ##\Sigma, \Sigma'## from a single foliation and find that ##\int _{\Omega}\nabla^{a}j_{a} = 0 = \int _{\Sigma}j_{a}n^{a} -\int _{\Sigma'}j_{a}n^{a}## i.e. the total charge ##Q = -\int _{\Sigma}j_{a}n^{a} ## is conserved (here ##n^{a}## is the outward unit normal field to the space-like foliation that ##\Sigma,\Sigma'## belong to; the negative sign is to compensate for the negative sign that comes out of the inner product in the integral.
 
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