Current connecting two parts of a circuit

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of current in a circuit, particularly focusing on a scenario where a current Io is claimed to be zero. Participants explore the implications of having a perfect conductor and the conditions under which current flows between different parts of a circuit. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, circuit modifications, and interpretations of circuit diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that if there is no potential difference across a wire assumed to be a perfect conductor, then no current will flow.
  • Another participant questions the implications of a non-zero current Io, asking where the return current would be and whether static charge could be building up.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of current splitting in parallel circuits and the assumption that current would flow through branches based on resistance.
  • A participant mentions modifying the circuit by adding a resistor and grapples with the implications of current flow and voltage drops in relation to the modified circuit.
  • There is a suggestion that if Io were to be non-zero, a wire could be added to connect terminals in the circuit to allow for current flow.

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Participants express differing views on the behavior of current in the circuit, particularly regarding the conditions under which Io can be non-zero. There is no consensus on the implications of the circuit modifications or the interpretations of potential differences.

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Participants reference circuit diagrams and dependent sources, indicating that the discussion may hinge on specific representations and assumptions that are not fully detailed in the text. The implications of grounding and how it affects potential are also mentioned but not resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying circuit theory, electrical engineering, or anyone looking to understand the nuances of current flow in circuits, particularly in relation to potential differences and circuit modifications.

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in the diagram below Io is zero. But i can't figure out why. Can anyone explain this to me.
 

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ouch, my mistake in the title it should say conductor connecting two parts of a circuit.
 
There is no element connecting the two parts, just a wire, and since the wire is assumed to be a perfect conductor, there is no voltage drop across any segment of the wire. Current flows between two ends of a device with a potential difference across it because it wants to equalize the potential at both ends. If there is no potential difference, there will be no current flow to equalize the difference.
 
Suppose Io were non-zero. Where is the return current? Or are you building up static charge...
 
LeBrad said:
There is no element connecting the two parts, just a wire, and since the wire is assumed to be a perfect conductor, there is no voltage drop across any segment of the wire. Current flows between two ends of a device with a potential difference across it because it wants to equalize the potential at both ends. If there is no potential difference, there will be no current flow to equalize the difference.

so a potential difference causes current to flow. like water flowing because of pressure pump right?

what do you mean by equalize potential though? i don't know what that means.
 
berkeman said:
Suppose Io were non-zero. Where is the return current? Or are you building up static charge...

yeah, i was confused. I assumed everytime a current met two forks in the circuit path like a parallel circuit for instance it would just split up the current flow. So i assumed that Io had come from the current in the right-hand circuit after splitting up.

Because i remember learning that a current if given several different branches to flow through the most current would flow through the branch with the least resistance. So I assumed currents from the two parts of those circuits would flow through that empty branch. which was absolutely wrong...
 
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You diagram indicates a circuit representation with a dependent source.
You may learn more about these kinds of representations by searching previous posts here.
For example, here is one. My reply on that thread gives insight, directly related to your question.
hint: where is ground?
 
Ouabache said:
You diagram indicates a circuit representation with a dependent source.
You may learn more about these kinds of representations by searching previous posts here.
For example, here is one. My reply on that thread gives insight, directly related to your question.
hint: where is ground?


I see so that's the ground where the potential is taken from. So I'm guessing the circuit would still be the same if the model illustrated that single branch to be just a point node...

thank you for the link and thanks for the responses.
 
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I modified the circuit now and i put in resistor R3 behind the negative terminal of the independent voltage source.

I assumed the voltage drop for this new resistor to the ground would be the reverse of the voltage R1 to the ground. but the only way for that to be possible is if the currents running through each Resistor to be different. but Io is zero so the currents through both resistors should be the same. I don't get it.

I forgot to add an image i'll add it below this post. sorry for the spam.
 
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here is the image
 

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berkeman said:
Suppose Io were non-zero. Where is the return current? Or are you building up static charge...
berkeman is spot on.

The current Io will always be zero because current goes around in a loop. To put it loosely, if current Io goes left in your circuit, then somewhere in the same circuit, it has to go back right, too. If you must make Io nonzero, then place a wire connecting the right terminal of R1 to the left terminal of R2, and then you'd see (a nonzero) Io going right along this wire.
 

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