Current Density between two infinite plates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Child Langmuir law and the implications of current density (J) between two infinite plates, specifically addressing the concept of charge conservation and its relationship to current density being constant or uniform. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms in the context of charge density and current flow.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how a constant current density J implies charge conservation, suggesting a misunderstanding of the terms used.
  • Another participant explains that if the current densities through two planes are different, it would lead to a buildup of charge, violating charge conservation.
  • A participant emphasizes the distinction between "constant" (unchanging over time) and "uniform" (the same at different spatial points) in the context of current density.
  • It is proposed that if current density is not uniform but remains constant over time, it would lead to increasing charge density, thus violating charge conservation.
  • One participant requests a mathematical demonstration of how the condition dJ/dz = 0 arises from the Charge Conservation Law.
  • A later reply asserts that in a steady state, charge density must be constant, leading to the conclusion that dJ/dz = 0, indicating uniform current density.
  • Another participant questions the definition of steady state, arguing that if charges enter and slow down in an infinitesimal volume, the charge in that volume would increase, suggesting a misunderstanding of steady state conditions.
  • Another participant succinctly defines steady state as a condition where things do not change with time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of "constant" and "uniform" in relation to current density and charge conservation. There is no consensus on the implications of steady state conditions, particularly regarding the behavior of charge density over time.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific definitions of terms like "constant" and "uniform," which may vary in interpretation. The discussion involves unresolved mathematical steps related to the application of the Continuity Equation.

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Hi, I'm studying the "Child Langmuir law". We have a grounded cathode that is an infinite plane with free electrons, and an anode with a positive voltage V. The text says that the current density J is constant between the two plates for the "Charge conservation principle". I was not able to understand how a constant J implies the charge conservation. Could you help me ?
 
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Imagine two infinite parallel planes, numbered 1 and 2, also parallel to the cathode and anode, situated between the two plates. There is some charge density between the two planes, consisting of electrons, which are flowing in a direction perpendicular to the two planes. If the current density J1 through one plane is different from J2 through the other, that means that with time, there is a pile up of charge between the two plates.
 
So the current intensity can change ,the important is that J=pv stays constant. Is this correct ?
 
We need to be clear about the use of words. Usually, the word "constant" means that the quantity (in this case current density or charge density) does not change with time. If you want to describe a quantity that is the same at different points in space, you use the word "uniform". In the case that I discussed above, the current density is "uniform", in that it is the same through both parallel planes. If it is not "uniform", but remains "constant" in time, then that will result in a charge, and therefore charge density, which keeps on increasing with time. The charge density is then not constant. If this condition of non-uniform but constant current densities is maintained, then you will violate charge conservation because more and more charge will be piling up between the two planes. To avoid this catastrophe, the current density needs to be uniform.
 
Are you able to show me how obtain that dJ / dz = 0 from the "Charge Conservation Law" by calculations ?
This because, if i apply the Continuity Equation in this case ( we have only the z component), i get :

\frac{\partial J_{z}}{\partial z} = -\frac{\partial p}{\partial t}
 
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I assume the p that you used in your equation refers to the charge density. In a "Steady State," the charge density must be constant (independent of time), so the right hand side is zero, which means that dJ/dz = 0. which in turn means that J is uniform.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
I assume the p that you used in your equation refers to the charge density. In a "Steady State," the charge density must be constant (independent of time), so the right hand side is zero, which means that dJ/dz = 0. which in turn means that J is uniform.

But why dI/dt = 0 in Steady State ? In fact, if in dt some charges enter in a infinitesimal volume and are immediatly slowed down , in the following dt less charges leaves the infinitesimal volume, so the the charge in the infinitesimal volume increase.
Where am i wrong ?
 
Steady state means things don't change with time.
 

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