Current is flow of charge with constant velocity; Why not accelerated?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons in a conductor when a potential difference is applied, specifically addressing why electrons do not accelerate indefinitely despite the presence of an electric field. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding electron motion, drift velocity, and scattering mechanisms within conductors.

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  • Some participants propose that electrons should accelerate due to the electric field, as described by the equation Force = charge * Electric_field.
  • Others argue that while electrons gain a small net velocity (drift velocity), they do not continue to accelerate indefinitely due to energy dissipation through collisions with the lattice.
  • A participant notes that the initial acceleration occurs until the drift velocity is reached, after which the kinetic energy is dissipated, preventing further acceleration.
  • There is a suggestion that the main factor for energy dissipation is scattering on lattice vibrations and impurities rather than electron-electron scattering.
  • One participant questions the conservation of momentum in the context of electron-lattice interactions and the implications for net velocity changes.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of lattice oscillations and their role in resistivity, mentioning "umklap" scattering as a potential contributor to electric resistivity.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind electron motion in conductors, particularly regarding the role of collisions and scattering. There is no consensus on the exact nature of these interactions or their implications for electron acceleration.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the precise interactions between electrons and the lattice, including the effects of temperature, scattering mechanisms, and the definitions of drift velocity and resistivity.

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When a potential difference is applied across a conductor. then a electric field[/color] is formed across it. There are free electrons in conductor which should accelerate because of there is electric field. Since all we know that Force =charge*Electric_field.
But it is not so. Inside a conductor electrons even not able to reach speed of a meter per second. Why it is so?Why not they accelerate?
When this thought come in my mind, firstly i think that there is inelastic collision between the electrons that causes heating of conductors and maintains constant speed of electrons. But collisions between the electrons is elastic and elastic collisions doesn't convert mechanical energy to heat. So finally we can say Center of mass of all the electrons should accelerate but they move with constant speed.
that's all i want to say.
Thanks if you reply.
 
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What about the mean square velocity of these little devils you talk of?
 
sophiecentaur said:
What about the mean square velocity of these little devils you talk of?
Does not understand
 
Electrons don't just sit there, waiting to be pushed along by an electric field. They are in constant motion, randomly, in all directions with a range of speeds, up to many km/second, depending on the temperature. They behave like a gas.
When a Potential Difference is applied over a length of wire, this huge number of electrons will gain a very small net velocity along the wire (the drift velocity).
For a very short time, after the PD is applied, there will be an initial acceleration until the drift velocity is reached but they will not just get faster and faster on their journey along the wire. The extra kinetic energy of the electrons will be dissipated in passing through the metal lattice- they will not accelerate.
This is different from Electrons in a vacuum, which will accelerate as they are pulled by an electric field. Their final Kinetic Energy being equal to the Potential Difference across which they have been accelerated.
 
vkash said:
When a potential difference is applied across a conductor. then a electric field[/color] is formed across it. There are free electrons in conductor which should accelerate because of there is electric field. Since all we know that Force =charge*Electric_field.
But it is not so. Inside a conductor electrons even not able to reach speed of a meter per second. Why it is so?Why not they accelerate?
When this thought come in my mind, firstly i think that there is inelastic collision between the electrons that causes heating of conductors and maintains constant speed of electrons. But collisions between the electrons is elastic and elastic collisions doesn't convert mechanical energy to heat. So finally we can say Center of mass of all the electrons should accelerate but they move with constant speed.
that's all i want to say.
Thanks if you reply.

You are in principle right in saying that collisions of the electrons (or scattering) dissipates the energy gained in the electric field. However the main factor is scattering on the lattice vibrations and impurities and not electron-electron scattering.
In the simplest model, the resultant drift velocity depends roughly on how much the electrons can be accelerated between two collision (on average).
 
:smile:Thanks to both persons. It's something inside the lattices of resistances.:smile:
 
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nasu said:
You are in principle right in saying that collisions of the electrons (or scattering) dissipates the energy gained in the electric field. However the main factor is scattering on the lattice vibrations and impurities and not electron-electron scattering.
In the simplest model, the resultant drift velocity depends roughly on how much the electrons can be accelerated between two collision (on average).
When there is no applied pd the electrons and the lattice will be in thermal equilibrium. An equal amount of energy will go each way. Any net velocity change in the electrons due to an applied E field will go to zero after an 'impact' with the lattice. I'm just trying to square what momentum conservation does here. Where does it 'go'?
 
The conservation of momentum for the inelastic scattering of electrons on lattice includes creation (or annihilation) of lattice oscillations (or phonons according to the usual picture).
It may also include a term that may be associated with the recoil of the lattice as a whole for the so-called "umklap" scattering (which may be the major contribution to electric resistivity).
The resistivity is due to the vibrations of the lattice and not the lattice itself.
 

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