Current Loop Generating a Magnetic Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the calculation of the magnetic field generated by a current loop. Participants explore the derivation of the relevant equations, the meaning of specific terms, and methods for calculating the magnetic field strength at various points in relation to the loop.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the derivation of the magnetic field equation and the meaning of specific terms, particularly L and r.
  • Another participant explains that the magnetic field strength is governed by the Biot-Savart law and describes the roles of dL and r in this context.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the Biot-Savart law and suggests that the magnetic field can be calculated at any point in space by integrating around the loop.
  • One participant asks for clarification on the term "elemental source," indicating their background as an A-level student.
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of elemental sources, explaining the use of calculus to sum infinitesimal elements to derive the integral.
  • A participant questions the representation of the integral in the equation, suggesting it might simply represent L and inquires about the reasoning behind its current form.
  • One participant encourages another to work through the calculations, noting the axial symmetry of the integrand when the observation point is at the center of the loop.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts and calculations involved, but there is no consensus on the interpretation of certain terms or the simplification of the integral. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the mathematical representation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about specific mathematical terms and concepts, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge. The discussion includes assumptions about familiarity with calculus and the Biot-Savart law.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in electromagnetism, particularly those seeking to understand the principles behind magnetic fields generated by current loops and the application of the Biot-Savart law.

Wilfrid Somogyi
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I'm trying to understand how to calculate the strength of the magnetic field generated by a current loop.

What I know so far is:
  • When a current moves around a loop of wire it generates a magnetic field which looks a bit like that of a solenoid, only not so concentrated through the center of the loop.
  • The magnetic field at the center of the current loop is calculated by:
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  • I understand what each of the terms mean except the term L and the term r (with the ^ above).
What I'd like to know is:
  • How is this equation derived?
  • What are the terms I don't recognise?
  • Is there a way to calculate the magnetic field strength at any point on the plane that the loop lies in?
Thanks in advance!
 
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Magnetic field strength caused by an elemental current ##I \times dL## is governed by Biot-Savart law $$ d\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{Id\vec{L}\times\vec{r}}{r^3}$$. Therefore dL and r (with hat) are elemental source and unit position vector of observation point relative to the elemental source, respectively. To get that equation just take the observation point at the center and integrate around the loop. With Biot-Savart law in hand surely it's possible to calculate magnetic field at any point in space.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Magnetic field strength caused by an elemental current ##I \times dL## is governed by Biot-Savart law $$ d\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{Id\vec{L}\times\vec{r}}{r^3}$$. Therefore dL and r (with hat) are elemental source and unit position vector of observation point relative to the elemental source, respectively. To get that equation just take the observation point at the center and integrate around the loop. With Biot-Savart law in hand surely it's possible to calculate magnetic field at any point in space.

Thanks, I got most of that, but what do you mean by elemental source? (I'm only an A-level student you see)
 
The source of magnetic field in our case is a loop in which some currents circulating. If you divide that loop into infinitesimal length (mathematically the length of such object is the limit toward zero), you will get elemental length/source. This is calculus stuff, if you sum infinitesimal elements whose length approaches zero you will end up with integral.
So if one were to picture this problem physically, he must think that the magnetic field at certain point in space must be the sum of magnetic field generated by all existing elemental sources. And again sum of elemental sources forms integral.
 
Right. So in this case the integral S dL (apologies I have no integral sign on my phone) in the equation just becomes L? I'm assuming that as there is thing between the integral and and dL, so the one has been factored out? In which case why not just represent it as L? Or is it not simply the integral of 1 with respect to L?
 
if your observation point is in the center and you calculated the cross product correctly you should find that the integrand is axially symmetric.
Try to work it out, it's not that hard.
 
Will do, thanks for all the help!
 

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