Current Research on the Origin of Electric Charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the origin of electric charge, exploring theoretical perspectives in particle physics and condensed matter theory. Participants express interest in current research related to the fundamental nature of charge, its quantization, and its implications in various theoretical frameworks.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that electric charge is often treated as an axiom in physics, with little known about its fundamental origin.
  • One participant suggests that electric charge can be understood as a conserved current related to weak hypercharge and weak isospin, raising further questions about the origins of these concepts.
  • Another participant humorously references the complexity of the topic, suggesting a recursive nature to the inquiry.
  • A participant questions the significance of the quantization of charge, proposing that understanding why charge is quantized may be more pertinent than its origin.
  • Some participants recommend looking into Beyond Standard Model theories and Topological Quantum Field Theories (TQFT) for insights into the nature of charge.
  • Discussion includes the classification of elementary particles based on representations of the Poincare group and how this relates to electric charge, with mentions of fractional charges arising from quark interactions.
  • One participant emphasizes the ongoing challenge of understanding the fundamental interactions and their origins, indicating that this remains an open question in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature and origin of electric charge, with no consensus reached. Some focus on its axiomatic status, while others delve into theoretical frameworks that might explain its properties and quantization.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the fundamental nature of electric charge and its quantization, as well as the dependence on various theoretical frameworks that may not be universally accepted.

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Hello!

I am not sure if this is the correct place for this but here is a go.

I'm currently applying to graduate schools and I know that I am interested in theoretical particle physics and condensed matter theory. In electricity and magnetism we were told that charge is an axiom and it's not really known where charge comes from, this notion has been incredibly interesting to me and I'd like to see if anyone is actively researching this topic. From my research and courses I know it's a relativistic invariant and thus there isn't a lot of interest in finding out where it comes from.

My question is does anyone know of any physicist at universities/research programs that are currently working on this problem or something similar?

I will be very thankful for any information anyone has
 
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ThomGunn said:
I will be very thankful for any information anyone has

Surely we "know" where electric charge comes from: it's a conserved current corresponding to a combination of weak hypercharge and weak isospin which is not broken by electroweak symmetry breaking:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction

Now, of course, you'd ask "what is the origin of weak hypercharge and weak isospin?"
 
nikkkom said:
Now, of course, you'd ask "what is the origin of weak hypercharge and weak isospin?"

Turtles, all the way down.

To the OP: I think you want to look into people who are trying to construct Beyond Standard Model theories of particle physics.
 
Isn't it a more question to ask why it's quantized? or not?
I haven't noticed so far where the quantization (|Q|=0,1/3, 2/3,1) gets into the game when breaking EW symmetry...
 
ThomGunn said:
Hello!

My question is does anyone know of any physicist at universities/research programs that are currently working on this problem or something similar?

I will be very thankful for any information anyone has

Although the electric charge itself is not (directly) a topological number, your question often comes up in the study of Topological Quantum Field Theories (TQFT). So, you need to look into people who work on the following (key words) problems in TQFT:
1) Homotopy groups of Lie groups, 2) Topological Invariants, 3) (Extended) Poincare’ Lemma, 4) Soliton, Instanton and Monopoles.
And, you can always ask questions in here, I always have few words to say about TQFT.
 
ThomGunn said:
[...] In electricity and magnetism we were told that charge is an axiom and it's not really known where charge comes from, this notion has been incredibly interesting to me and I'd like to see if anyone is actively researching this topic. From my research and courses I know it's a relativistic invariant and thus there isn't a lot of interest in finding out where it comes from.
Are you proficient in the theory behind the notion that "elementary particles can be classified according to the unitary irreducible representations (unirreps) of the Poincare group" (and also the unirreps of certain gauge groups) ?

Maybe you've heard about how some types of elementary particles transform differently from others under a parity reversal?

Electric charge arises from a similar idea when the complex-conjugate of a representation is not equivalent to the original one. Think about how electrons and positrons transform under a gauge (phase) transformation. Of course, there's more to it than that, since we get fractional charges when other interactions and quarks are considered.

The big question, then, is why the fundamental interactions are what they are (if that question even has an answer, or deeper foundation). People have been attacking that "grand challenge" for decades, without much success. Good luck. :D[Edit:] ... and now I sit back and wait for dextercioby to nit-pick my answer. :p
 
ChrisVer said:
Isn't it a more question to ask why it's quantized? or not?
I haven't noticed so far where the quantization (|Q|=0,1/3, 2/3,1) gets into the game when breaking EW symmetry...

I don't believe it does. I think this is one of the motivations for grand unified theories, since if the U(1)_Y comes from a larger gauge group then the hypercharges are automatically quantised.
 

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