Current source in series with resistor

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a current source in series with a resistor, specifically whether this configuration can be represented as a current source with zero resistance or if the resistance is considered infinite in the Norton equivalent. The conversation touches on theoretical concepts and practical implications in circuit analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a current source in series with a resistor can be treated as a current source with zero resistance or if it corresponds to infinite resistance in the Norton equivalent.
  • One participant asserts that a current source with a resistor in series does not affect the output current, suggesting that it could be interpreted as having zero resistance.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the output impedance of an ideal current source is high (infinite) when considered in parallel with the source.
  • There is a discussion about the independence of the current through the series resistor from its value, indicating that the voltage drop across the resistor does not influence the current delivered to the load.
  • Participants clarify that the series resistor does not affect the current from the current source, leading to a consensus on this specific point, although the overall question remains unresolved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the series resistor does not affect the output current from the current source. However, there is no consensus on how to represent the series configuration in terms of resistance in the Norton equivalent.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of circuit representations and the assumptions involved in interpreting the behavior of current sources and resistors in series. There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of output impedance and equivalent resistance.

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1. In the case of a current source in series with a resisitor, can this be transformed to just a current source with 0 resistance, or is the resistance infinity in the Norton equivalent?



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My teacher told us this in class but i can't remember if a current source w/ resistor in series is same as 0 current or infinity current. And is the answer the same for the equivalent norton resistance?
 
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rajohns08 said:
1. In the case of a current source in series with a resisitor, can this be transformed to just a current source with 0 resistance, or is the resistance infinity in the Norton equivalent?



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The Attempt at a Solution


My teacher told us this in class but i can't remember if a current source w/ resistor in series is same as 0 current or infinity current. And is the answer the same for the equivalent norton resistance?

A current source in series with a resistance is not a standard representation. The standard representations are a current source (infinite Zout) in parallel with a resistance, or a voltage source (zero Zout) in series with a resistance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thévenin_equivalent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton's_theorem

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rajohns08 said:
My teacher told us this in class but i can't remember if a current source w/ resistor in series is same as 0 current or infinity current.

Neither. However, the statement "a current source with a resistor in series is same as 0 resistance" would most likely be what your teacher said, because the resistor would not affect the output current.
 
MRSquared said:
Neither. However, the statement "a current source with resistor in series is same as 0 resistance" would most likely be what your teacher said, because the resistor would not affect the output current.

Why do you say that? The output impedance of a current source is high (infinite for an ideal current source).
 
berkeman said:
Why do you say that? The output impedance of a current source is high (infinite for an ideal current source).

I agree that an ideal current source has an infinite output impedance in parallel with the source, but I was just replying to the OP's question about resistance in series with the source. :rolleyes:
 
berkeman said:
Why do you say that? The output impedance of a current source is high (infinite for an ideal current source).

Because the current through the series resistor is independent of the value of the resistor and is input totally to the load.
Of course, there is a voltage drop through the series resistor, but the voltage and current in the load are not affected.
 
MRSquared said:
I agree that an ideal current source has an infinite output impedance in parallel with the source, but I was just replying to the OP's question about resistance in series with the source. :rolleyes:

You guys are correct that the series resistor does not affect the current from the current source. I think in your statement here, you left out the word "resistor", so the slightly corrected quote would be:

"an ideal current source has an infinite output impedance in parallel with the source resistance"

I think we are in agreement. I work with current source network transmitters a lot, so the output impedance and output compliance (how close you can drive your output waveform near the rails) are things I deal with quite a bit.
 

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