Current through a conductor of zero resistance

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of current in a circuit containing a conductor with zero resistance and its interaction with resistors. Participants explore concepts related to equivalent resistance, the implications of perfect conductors, and the role of superconductivity in such scenarios.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if a resistor shares junctions with a zero-resistance conductor, current may not flow through the resistor due to a lack of voltage difference.
  • Others argue that in practical scenarios, no wire is a perfect conductor, leading to some minimal resistance and thus a negligible current through the resistor.
  • A participant suggests that the equivalent resistance between two points in the circuit is determined solely by the resistance of the resistor present, indicating that the zero-resistance conductor does not contribute to the equivalent resistance.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of superconductivity, with some participants noting that superconductors can allow current to flow without resistance, while also acknowledging that practical limitations exist that prevent infinite current flow.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for diagrams to clarify the circuit configuration and suggest that visualizing the resistors in parallel may simplify the problem.
  • There is a challenge regarding the definition of current-limiting devices in the context of superconductors, with participants discussing the conditions under which superconductivity can fail.
  • Mathematical approaches to calculating equivalent resistance in circuits with zero resistance are debated, with some participants providing formulas for parallel resistances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the behavior of current in circuits with zero resistance and the role of superconductivity. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly concerning the implications of perfect conductors and the calculation of equivalent resistance.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about ideal conditions versus practical scenarios, the dependence on circuit configurations, and unresolved mathematical steps in calculating equivalent resistance.

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If a resistor shares common junctions to a conductor with no resistance in a circuit, will current flow through the resistor? Also, what is the equivalent resistance between A and B as in the figure...
 

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If the wires were really perfect conductors with zero resistance, then there would be no voltage difference between the two ends of the resistor and therefore no current flow through the resistor.

In practice, no wire is a perfect conductor so there's always some tiny resistance and therefore some tiny voltage difference across the resistors to drive some tiny current flow through the resistor. However this current will be well and thoroughly negligible compared with the current through the wires (which will very quickly melt, burn, catch on fire, or explode if there's no fuse, internal resistance in the power supply, or some other current-limiting device).
 
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if by the equivalent resistance you mean the total resistance it has with the junctions at both ends then the only resistance in your schematic is the one through "r2"
 
What is the equivalent resistance between A and B in this case...
 

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swap1996 said:
What is the equivalent resistance between A and B in this case...

Try redrawing that picture so that the resistors are side by side on your sheet of paper... You'll find that this makes the problem much easier.
 
Nugatory said:
If the wires were really perfect conductors with zero resistance, then there would be no voltage difference between the two ends of the resistor and therefore no current flow through the resistor.

In practice, no wire is a perfect conductor so there's always some tiny resistance and therefore some tiny voltage difference across the resistors to drive some tiny current flow through the resistor. However this current will be well and thoroughly negligible compared with the current through the wires (which will very quickly melt, burn, catch on fire, or explode if there's no fuse, internal resistance in the power supply, or some other current-limiting device).

Where does superconductivity fit in this explanation? I understand that superconductors have zero resistance and currents do flow in suoerconductors
 
Nugatory said:
Try redrawing that picture so that the resistors are side by side on your sheet of paper... You'll find that this makes the problem much easier.

Can you explain it properly, perhaps upload the diagram you are referring to...
 
technician said:
Where does superconductivity fit in this explanation? I understand that superconductors have zero resistance and currents do flow in suoerconductors

There is always some current-limiting device in such a setup, so infinite currents are not observed. But you are right that a superconductor can behave a lot more like an ideal wire than anything you're going to be able buy in a roll and solder together.
 
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swap1996 said:
Can you explain it properly, perhaps upload the diagram you are referring to...

Not until we've given you a few more hints... This problem is much easier than it looks... The end of every resistor in your diagram is connected directly to either point A or point B.
 
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swap1996 said:
Can you explain it properly, perhaps upload the diagram you are referring to...

Even though this is not directly homework, you still need to show some effort here...

Since the left end of R1 is shorted to the right end of R2, just rotate R1 up and over clockwise 180 degrees to put it in parallel with R2. Then do a similar thing with R3 -- rotate it clockwise 180 degrees to put in in parallel with R2. What does the diagram look like now?
 
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Nugatory said:
There is always some current-limiting device in such a setup, so infinite currents are not observed. But you are right that a superconductor can behave a lot more like an ideal wire than anything you're going to be able buy in a roll and solder together.

It was not suggested that the current was infinite !
What 'current-limiting device'do you have in mind?
 
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technician said:
Where does superconductivity fit in this explanation? I understand that superconductors have zero resistance and currents do flow in suoerconductors

technician said:
It was not suggested that the current was infinite !
What 'current-limiting device'do you have in mind?

The maximum current that can be supported by a superconductor is limited either by the current density, or by the magnetic field generated by the current. Above those limits, the superconductor stops being a superconductor, develops some loss, and all hell breaks loose.

This paper from arxiv has some good info: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...YReN1mhykYSVQvK0lVOkTmA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.cGE

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swap1996 said:
What is the equivalent resistance between A and B in this case...
As Crazymechanic already pointed out, the equivalent resistance between A and B is R2 .

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For the parallel portions of the circuit:

You can't use ##\displaystyle \ \frac{1}{R_\text{Parallel}}=\frac{1}{R_A}+\frac{1}{R_B} \,,\
## because one of the resistances is zero.

Instead, use ##\displaystyle \ R_\text{Parallel}=\frac{R_A\,R_B}{R_A+R_B} \ .##
 

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