Current through voltage doublers

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of voltage doubler circuits, particularly focusing on the relationship between output voltage and current through resistive loads. Participants explore the implications of voltage doubling on current flow, efficiency, and the role of capacitors in determining current output.

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  • Some participants assert that voltage doublers produce double the output voltage but result in half the current available to the load.
  • Others clarify that the current through a resistive load is determined by the voltage across it, raising questions about how the voltage doubler affects current flow from the source to the load.
  • A participant provides a hypothetical scenario where a voltage doubler powered by a 12V source drawing 2A could only output 1A at 24V if it were 100% efficient, emphasizing the power conservation principle.
  • Another participant suggests that to achieve doubled output voltage, one must either halve the output current or double the input current, referencing the relationship between power, voltage, and current.
  • Discussion includes a mention of the Delon voltage doubler, noting that the maximum current depends on capacitor values and that the current through the load is half of the current drawn from the AC source due to the charging cycles of the capacitors.
  • It is noted that the current through a high-value resistor without a doubler will be lower than with one, and that adding a doubler can quadruple the power consumption from the source.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of voltage doubling on current flow and power consumption, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight various assumptions regarding efficiency, capacitor behavior, and the relationship between voltage and current, which may affect the overall understanding of voltage doubler circuits.

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When it comes to voltage doubler circuits, They produce double the output voltage but half the current. But when a voltage doubler output is put through a resistive load, the current through that load is equal to voltage divided by resistance. So how does the voltage doubler provide half of the current from the source to the load when current flowing through a resistive load is dependent only on the voltage provided to the load?
 
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The voltage doubler provides half the current on one side of it as on the other. That does not imply anything about what it does compared to if it isn't there.
 
Idea04 said:
When it comes to voltage doubler circuits, They produce double the output voltage but half the current. But when a voltage doubler output is put through a resistive load, the current through that load is equal to voltage divided by resistance. So how does the voltage doubler provide half of the current from the source to the load when current flowing through a resistive load is dependent only on the voltage provided to the load?
Suppose your voltage doubler is powered from a 12v source, and is drawing 2A from that source. Even if it were 100% efficient, then at 24v output it could deliver only 1A. Otherwise, it would be outputting more power than it drew from the source, and efficiency would exceed 100%.
 
yes, the question should be addressed backward from OP.

Since at best, power in = power out,
and power = Volts X Amps,

to double Volts out,, you must either halve (OOPS ! edit - not volts, but ) Amps out or double Amps in.
 
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if you are discussing the doubling rectifier such as bridge (Delon) doubler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_doubler

then the maximum current depends on the value of capacitors, and indeed the current through load will be half of the current that flows from AC source into the doubler as half of the cycle the charge from the input waveform (current*time) is put into one capacitor and other half of the time into another*, while both capacitors will be discharging through the load simultaneously; if you consider the net charge, the net charge that will flow through the load is half of the net charge that flows into the capacitors from the input (the charge that flows through the load is equal to charge added into one capacitor, or the charge added into another), and so is the averaged current (which is simply total charge per time).

*not so neatly in practice as it will only consume spikes of current at the peaks of the original waveform.

edit: with regards to current through a specific resistor with and without doubler, that is not relevant. If you have a high value resistor, without the doubler the power consumption (from the AC source) will be lower than with the doubler. In particular the current through a high value resistor will double, while the current consumed from the source, and the power, will quadruple, if you add a doubler. The current after the doubler will still be half of the current consumed from source, but the current consumed from source will quadruple. (for low values the doubler may fail to actually double the voltage, depending to the capacitance and frequency)
 
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