Curve length and very hard integral

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The problem involves finding the length of a curve defined by a parametric equation \(\phi(t)=(5+\cos(3t))\cos(t), (5+\cos(3t))\sin(t)\) for \(t\) in the interval \([0, 2\pi]\). The original poster expresses difficulty in evaluating the integral for the curve length.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the curve in polar form and sets up the integral for the length but struggles with its evaluation. Some participants question whether a closed-form solution is necessary and suggest considering numeric integration instead.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the possibility of clever substitutions or alternative approaches to evaluate the integral. There is no explicit consensus on the solvability of the integral in closed form, and the original poster is considering consulting their teacher for further clarification.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a restriction against using numeric integration, which may influence the direction of the discussion and the approaches considered.

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Homework Statement



Find the length of the curve:

[itex]\phi(t)=\left\{(5+\cos(3t))\cos(t), (5+\cos(3t))\sin(t) \right\}\mbox{ with } t\in [0, 2\pi][/itex]

Homework Equations



[itex]L_{\phi}= \int_{a}^{b}\sqrt{[x'(t)]^2+ [y'(t)]^2}\qquad (1.1)[/itex]

Where

[itex]x(t)= (5+\cos(3t))\cos(t)[/itex]

[itex]y(t)= (5+\cos(3t))\sin(t)[/itex]

[itex]a= 0\qquad b= 2\pi[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution




Ok, i noticed that [itex]\phi(t)[/itex] is in this form:

[itex]\phi(t)=(r(t)\cos(t), r(t)\sin(t))[/itex]


so it can be expressed in polar form:

[itex]r= r(t)\iff r=5+\cos(3t) \quad t\in[0,2\pi][/itex]

so:

[itex]L_{\phi}=\int_{0}^{2\pi}\sqrt{[r(t)]^2+[r'(t)]^2}=[/itex]

[itex]= \int_{0}^{2\pi}\sqrt{(5+\cos(3t))^2+(-3\sin(3t))^2}dt[/itex]


but this integral is not so easy to solve :(

What can i do to solve it? I try to use wolfram but it gives me an approximate result.

[Sorry, my English is not so good, forgive me if there are mistakes]
 
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So far I don't see any errors.
Are you sure you need the result in closed form, and you're not allowed to do numeric integration?

Also, are you sure it's not
[tex]\phi(t) = \{ 5 + (3 \cos(3t) \cos(t)), 5 + (3 \cos(3t) \sin(t)) \}[/tex]
 
Thanks for your reply CompuChip :)

I can't use numeric integration, but if you tell that this integral can't be expressed in closed form I'll go to my teacher to check it.
 
I'm not sure there is no clever substitution that will do the trick. But there is no immediately obvious one; and if the best Wolfram Alpha does is also give you a numeric answer, that's a pretty strong hint that there is no "nice" form.
 
Yes, you are right, i have the same feeling. Thank you for your time!
 

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