Curve Sketching: How to Identify Multiple Global Minimums in a Quartic Function?

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The discussion revolves around identifying global and local minimums in a quartic function, specifically the function y=x^4-2x^2-2. Participants are exploring the characteristics of minimums in polynomial functions.

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  • Participants question the possibility of having multiple global minimums and discuss the nature of minimums in the context of the given quartic function. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of local and global minimums, as well as the implications of critical points.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the identification of minimums. Some participants express confusion about the critical points and their implications, while others offer clarifications on the definitions and characteristics of minimums.

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There is a mention of critical points being calculated as 2, -2, and 0, with participants questioning the results obtained from these points. The accuracy of graphical representations and their relation to the algebraic findings is also under scrutiny.

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Is it possible to have 2 global minimums? I'm just having trouble determining whether this quartic has minimums or not =/
 
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Hollysmoke said:
Is it possible to have 2 global minimums? I'm just having trouble determining whether this quartic has minimums or not =/

No. There is only one global minimum, however, a function can be minimal in more than one place.

For example, the function:
f(x)=0
is minimal everywhere.
 
For the function y=x^4-2x^2-2, does this look right, then? I know the IPs are right but I'm not sure about the minimums.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3466/graphpickup5mj.png
 
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(0, -2) isn't a local minimum.
 
err...it should be maximum, right?
 
Right! (I wasn't sure if you were marking it as a minimum or not, but I wanted to be sure you noticed)
 
That was a typo on my part (thank you for noticing it!)
So there are no minimums in this case?

Becaue when I try to calculate it, the 3 critical numbers I get are 2,-2, and 0. But if I sub in 2 or -2, I get 6, which doesn't seem right...
 
No, there are minimums, just no absolute minimums. There are actually 2 local minimums, and one local maximum between them.
 
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NateTG said:
No. There is only one global minimum, however, a function can be minimal in more than one place.

For example, the function:
f(x)=0
is minimal everywhere.

But isn't the definition of the minimum (not at a domain endpoint) that:

[tex]f(x \pm \epsilon) > f(x)[/tex] for sufficiently small [tex]\epsilon[/tex]

But [tex]f(x \pm \epsilon) = f(x)[/tex] if [tex]f(x)=0[/tex] for all x and so would not have any minimum.
 
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Hollysmoke said:
So there are no minimums in this case?

Your plot should make it obvious that there is in fact a global (absolute) minimum so you should either distrust your plot or your work.

Hollysmoke said:
Becaue when I try to calculate it, the 3 critical numbers I get are 2,-2, and 0. But if I sub in 2 or -2, I get 6, which doesn't seem right...

Check your critical points again! (in the plot we trust)

Beam me down said:
But isn't the definition of the minimum (not at a domain endpoint) that:...

Nope, it's a less than or equal to, [tex]\leq[/tex], for a minimum. Or [tex]\geq[/tex] if you're looking in a mirror.
 

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