Cyclic and non proper subgroups

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a group with no proper subgroups can be classified as cyclic. Participants explore the implications of group order and the characteristics of elements within such groups.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of a group having no proper subgroups and question the smallest integer n for which an element raised to that power equals the identity. There are inquiries about examples of groups with non-proper subgroups and the nature of cyclic groups.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on group properties and attempting to clarify their understanding of cyclic groups. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between group order and subgroup structure, but there is no explicit consensus on the proof or examples provided.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of groups, particularly focusing on groups of prime order and cyclic groups. There are indications of confusion regarding the implications of the smallest n and the nature of examples needed to illustrate the concepts discussed.

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1. What is/are the condition for a group with no proper subgroup to be cyclic?


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3. this is just a general qustion I am asking in oder to prove something?
 
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Let a be non-identity member of G. If for some n, an= e, then {a, a2, ..., an-1, an= e} is a subgroup of G.

Now if G has no proper subgroups what is the smallest such n for any a? What does that tell you about G?
 
I don't quite understand, but I'm guessing the smallest such n would be 1... can you give me an example of a Group with non proper subgroups
 
I think I figurd it out ...the smallest of such n would be distinct , the group itself would bconsist of elements of infinite order... I still need an example of a Cyclic group with non proper subgroups
 
Do you really understand what you are asking? Any group of prime order has no proper subgroup.
 
Not quite...Ok this is my problem:
If G has noroper subgroups, prove that G is cyclic.

Proof:
If G has no proper subgroup then |G|= p. For any nonidentity element a belonging to G, <a> is a subgroup of order greater than 1. By Langrange's Theorem, since |a|divides |G| |a| = p therefore, <a> = G and G is a cyclic group of order p.

Does this proof make sense? In your first question I sain that the smallest scuh n is 1 hence the reason why I said that |a| must be greater than one...I'm notre if my proof is correct but does it make sense?
 

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