Cylindrical rotor generator power under loss of excitation

In summary, the conversation discusses the real power producing ability of a turbo alternator under loss of excitation condition. It is stated that salient pole rotor generators have the capability to supply real power even with no field current due to reluctance power, but it is unclear if this applies to non-salient pole generators. The presentation shared also focuses on salient pole rotors. The figure shown in the video applies to both round rotor and salient pole generators and there are many constraints on generator operation. It is mentioned that it is not advisable to connect the generator to the grid with no field, as it could cause high voltages and damage the generator. Shorting the field may allow for some power generation, but it is not a
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Hello all,

I want to know about turbo alternator real power producing capability under loss of excitation condition.

Normally in salient pole rotor have capability to supply real power under field current=0 condition, as there is reluctance power developed. But what about non salient pole generator? there is no saliency. So, there is not possibility to develop reluctance power. Does it mean that, this type of turbo generator is totally prohibited to run under loss of excitation condition?
 
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anorlunda said:
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I found this cool video that should answer your questions.

https://www.slideshare.net/mmuralintpc/loss-of-excitation
Thank you for your reply. I have watched this presentation before. Look very carefully this presentation, here also described about "salient Pole Rotor" alternator. But I need the behavior of "None salient Pole rotor" during this situation.
 
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Think of this figure from the video. It applies to both round rotor and salient pole synchronous generators.
There are many constraints on generator operation. Many of them are seen in this figure.
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niaz said:
Does it mean that, this type of turbo generator is totally prohibited to run under loss of excitation condition?
You'd certainly not want it connected to the grid with no field .
As it develops slip high voltages induced in the field will wreck something.
Shorting the field would allow some power generation as an induction machine with amortisseur windings and shorted field carrying rotor current. But i don't know of anyone who's done that with a generator of any size. Some synchronous motors are started that way, though.
 
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What is a cylindrical rotor generator?

A cylindrical rotor generator is a type of electric generator that uses a cylindrical rotor instead of a traditional round rotor. The cylindrical rotor is made up of a stack of steel laminations with slots for copper conductors to generate electrical energy.

How does a cylindrical rotor generator work?

A cylindrical rotor generator works by converting mechanical energy into electrical energy. The rotor spins inside a stator, which is a stationary part with copper windings. The spinning rotor creates a magnetic field that induces an electric current in the stator windings, producing electricity.

What is loss of excitation in a cylindrical rotor generator?

Loss of excitation in a cylindrical rotor generator occurs when there is a failure in the rotor's magnetic field. This can happen due to a variety of reasons, such as a fault in the stator windings, a mechanical issue with the rotor, or a problem with the excitation system that supplies the rotor's magnetic field.

What are the consequences of loss of excitation in a cylindrical rotor generator?

The consequences of loss of excitation in a cylindrical rotor generator can be severe. It can lead to a decrease or complete loss of power output, damage to the generator and other connected equipment, and potential blackouts or power outages if the generator is a part of a larger power system.

How can loss of excitation be prevented in a cylindrical rotor generator?

Loss of excitation can be prevented by regularly inspecting and maintaining the generator and its components, ensuring proper grounding and protection systems are in place, and implementing a backup power supply or fail-safe mechanisms in case of an excitation failure. It is also essential to closely monitor the generator's performance and address any issues promptly to prevent potential failures.

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