Dartboards and Normal Distribution: Probability of Hitting

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the probability of hitting a specific region on a dartboard, particularly focusing on the relationship between the probability density function and the concepts of area and volume in the context of integration. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem and the implications of using a double integral for probability calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the probability is expressed as a ratio of volumes rather than areas, given that the height of the graph is proportional to the number of hits.
  • One participant explains that the probability density function is defined over \(\mathbb{R}^2\) and that the probability of hitting a region is calculated using a double integral over that area.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the definition of the probability density function in this context, questioning whether it can be expressed as \(c e^{-r^2}\) and how it relates to the two-dimensional nature of the problem.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of functions of multiple variables and how they can still depend on a single variable, with one participant suggesting that the density function may not directly involve the variable \(R\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the probability density function and the use of integrals in this context. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the probability density function or the rationale behind using volumes instead of areas.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the notation and concepts involved are complex and may require further clarification. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and assumptions underlying the probability density function and its application to the problem.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in probability theory, integration techniques, and the mathematical modeling of random variables in two dimensions, particularly in the context of applications like dart throwing.

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I was reading this problem on calculating the probability of hitting a certain region on a dartboard. The number of hits the dart thrower will land at a certain radius R on the dartboard is proportional to e^(-R^2). The task is to take a certain portion of a ring (or annulus) on the dartboard and calculate the probability of hitting it. The full problem statement is at this link, if you could read the first two pages to see the parts relevant to my question, that would be nice: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-01sc-single-variable-calculus-fall-2010/unit-3-the-definite-integral-and-its-applications/part-c-average-value-probability-and-numerical-integration/session-62-integrals-and-probability/MIT18_01SCF10_Ses62d.pdf

My question is: why is the probability a ratio of volumes and not areas? The pdf only partially addresses it. Given that the height of the graph ce^(r^2) is the number of hits, my intuitive feeling is that the area under the curve is the number of hits for that range of radii. Could someone explain why it's a volume?
 
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By the way, should I be asking this in homework help? I felt my question was mostly related to the concept of integration and not the specific question, so I posted it here.
 
Lemniscates said:
I was reading this problem on calculating the probability of hitting a certain region on a dartboard. The number of hits the dart thrower will land at a certain radius R on the dartboard is proportional to e^(-R^2). The task is to take a certain portion of a ring (or annulus) on the dartboard and calculate the probability of hitting it.

My question is: why is the probability a ratio of volumes and not areas? The pdf only partially addresses it. Given that the height of the graph ce^(r^2) is the number of hits, my intuitive feeling is that the area under the curve is the number of hits for that range of radii. Could someone explain why it's a volume?

What you have is a random variable [itex]X[/itex] (the point where a dart hits) which takes values on the plane [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex], with an associated probability density function [itex]f : \mathbb{R}^2 \to \mathbb{R}[/itex].

When you calculate the probability that [itex]X \in A \subset \mathbb{R}^2[/itex], what you are by definition calculating is the double integral
[tex] P(X \in A) = \iint_A f(\mathbf{x})\,\mathrm{d}A.[/tex]
The nature of a probability density is that [itex]f(\mathbf{x}) \geq 0[/itex] for all [itex]\mathbf{x} \in \mathbb{R}^2[/itex] and
[tex] P(X \in \mathbb{R}^2) = \iint_{\mathbb{R}^2} f(\mathbf{x})\,\mathrm{d}A = 1.[/tex]
Those integrals look like an area times a "height", making them "volumes".
 
A lot of that notation is new to me, but I've done a little bit of Googling to make some sense out of it.

I'm still confused. What is the probability density function in this case? It wouldn't be c*e^(-r^2) would it? Because to me that seems like a function that takes a real number and puts out a real number, while the definition of the probability function you listed seems to to suggest that the function takes a two dimensional value and puts out a real number.

What is the reasoning behind the probability of X being within A (which I take it is what you're calling the area of the dartboard?) being defined as a double integral?
 
A function such as f(x,y) = x^2 only employs the variable x to compute a result, but it is still a function of two variables, just by the way it is defined. So the fact that a function only employs R to determine a result doesn't mean it is a function of 1 variable. How many variables are involved depends on how the article defines the function. It may be that the variable R is not involved at all! For example if the density function is defined a function of f(x,y), it may be that you are expected to find R from x and y as an intermediate step.
 

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