DC bias current and small-signal resistance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of small-signal resistance in a diode circuit, specifically addressing the relationship between DC bias current and small-signal parameters. Participants explore the diode equation and its implications for impedance calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation involving the diode equation and attempts to derive a value for the voltage across the diode, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their result.
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the diode equation to express voltage as a function of current, proposing differentiation to find impedance at a specific current value.
  • A third participant recommends directly differentiating the current function with respect to voltage to find conductance, noting that conductance is the reciprocal of resistance.
  • A participant questions whether significant figures might be affecting the calculations, pointing out that the saturation current value appears to be specified to only one significant figure, which could lead to discrepancies.

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Participants express differing approaches to the problem, with no consensus on the best method for calculating small-signal resistance or resolving the initial participant's confusion regarding their results.

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There are potential limitations regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning significant figures and the specific values used in the diode equation. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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Homework Statement
Consider the diode D_1 shown in Fig 7-1.

The diode is a non-linear device with the following I-V characteristics:

##i_D = I_S \cdot (e^{\frac{v_D}{v_{TH}} - 1)##

where i_D is the current through the diode, I_S is the reverse bias saturation current, v_D is the voltage across the diode, and V_TH is the thermal voltage. Assume ##I_S = 8*10^{-12}## and ##V_{TH} = 20mV##.

Although the diode is a non-linear device, it can be modeled as a resistor for small signals. Calculate the numerical value of the DC bias current I_D in mA such that its small-signal resistance is 5 Ohms.
Relevant Equations
iD = ID + id
(i.e., total variable iD = DC output ID + small signal id)

also,
##I_D + \delta i_D \approx## (iD evaluated at v_D) + (derivative of iD evaluated at v_D)*##\delta v_D##
##I_D = ## (iD evaluated at v_D)
##\delta i_D = ## (derivative of iD evaluated at v_D) *##\delta v_D##
We are given that ##i_D = 8\cdot 10^{-12} (e^{v_D/20m} - 1)##

Hence ##i_D' = e^{50 v_D}/2500000000## and ##i_D'' = e^{50 v_D}/50000000##

Then I have that ##\delta i_D \approx\frac{ e^{50 v_D}}{2500000000} \cdot \delta v_D = \delta v_D / 5## Cancelling ##\delta v_D## from boh sides and solving for the v_D, I have that ##v_D = 0.400602##.

Plugging this value into the original function for iD, I can get I_D, which gives me 0.004. However, this is not right. What am I doing wrong?
 

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I didn't go through your calculation in detail, but I'd be inclined to manipulate the diode equation to get Vd as a function of Id, and differentiate to get the impedance, then substitute in the point Id = 20mA...

Z(Vd) = \frac{dVd}{dId}
 
Or just differentiate the ##I_D## function w.r.t. ##V_D##. Conductance is the reciprocal of resistance.
 
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@JessicaHelena : is it possible that you're running into significant figures issues when entering your results? It looks like your ##I_S## value is only specified to one sig fig.

Edit: I ask because I've run the calculations and come up with results that match yours. So I have to wonder where the underlying issue lies.
 
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