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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling an armature controlled DC motor under no load while considering frictional damping. Participants are exploring the mathematical representation of the system, particularly focusing on the transfer function and the application of Laplace transforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transfer function for the DC motor and seeks assistance with partial fraction expansion for inverse Laplace transformation.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "kt.k" and suggests rewriting the expression for clarity, noting that the denominator indicates a second-order response.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between constants k and Kt, suggesting they may relate to the time constant of the circuit.
  • There is a discussion about the dimensions of k*Kt and its implications for the transfer function's consistency.
  • One participant challenges the need for speculation about the time constant if the transfer function is believed to be correct, asking for specific values and units for K and Kt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the constants or the implications of the transfer function. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the time constant and the dimensional analysis of the constants involved.

Contextual Notes

Uncertainties remain regarding the definitions and values of the constants k and Kt, as well as the implications of the transfer function's structure on system behavior.

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i have come here to ask for help.
i am trying to model a armature controlled dc motor with no load but and opposite force in the form of frictional damping

the expression i have raised and am assuming it to be right is

ωout/Vin = k/(L(s)+R)(I(s)+C)+ kt.k


where K,kt are constants
L inductance
I inertia

R resistance armature circuit
C damping

the reference voltage is 25 volts. i really need i think a partial fraction expansion of this to allow me to do the inverse laplace transform

any body out there can you help me please?

thanks people. :smile:
 
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What does "kt.k" mean? Is it kt multiplied by k which you can write as (kt)(k)?

Ω(s)/V(s) = k/[(sL+R)(sI+C)+ (kt)(k)] ?

The denominator is a second-order response. I would put in numbers to determine if this is an over- or under-damped system , then use Laplace tables. If you use partial fraction expansion that is OK but you'd better know how to handle the complex fractions.
 
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Hey rude man, thanks for getting back

Yes you are correct k and Kt and yes they can be expressed in the form you have shown. They relate to the properties and generated emf. I think but am not sure that they are possible the time constant for the circuit the "Tau" value any ideas?
 
ATRIX said:
Hey rude man, thanks for getting back

Yes you are correct k and Kt and yes they can be expressed in the form you have shown. They relate to the properties and generated emf. I think but am not sure that they are possible the time constant for the circuit the "Tau" value any ideas?

k*Kt would have to have dimension = T (time). But if your denominator is consistent, k*Kt has the dimensions RIT-1 = RMLT-1.

Anyway, if you believe your transfer function is correct, why are you speculating about a time constant? Do you have numbers for K and Kt including their units?
 

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