DE: Inspection for R(x)=sinx or cosx

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The discussion revolves around solving differential equations involving sinusoidal forcing functions, specifically focusing on the equations of the form (D^2 - a^2)y = sin(bx) or (D^2 - 9)y = -sin(4x). Participants are reviewing concepts related to particular solutions and sign conventions in the context of Advanced Engineering Mathematics.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the correct formulas for particular solutions involving sine and cosine functions. Questions are raised regarding the sign conventions and the derivation of particular solutions based on the differential equations presented.

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Some participants have offered insights into the correct application of formulas and the implications of sign changes in the context of the given differential equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to derive particular solutions, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's examples.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of sign conventions and the specific forms of differential equations being discussed. There is mention of a lack of depth in the original instruction from the professor, which may contribute to the confusion regarding the application of formulas.

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Can you post solved problems using these conditions? We're on the Advanced Engineering Mathematics and reviewing our Differential Equations. My professor only introduces this topic and didn't went deeper. I'm troubled about the sign convention, e.g.:

(D^2-9)y=-sin4x
(D^2-a^2)y=sinbx
yp=-sinbx/(a^2+b^2)
a=3, b=4
yp=sin4x/(3^2+4^2)
yp=sin4x/25

how does yp became positive? What are the formulae used... also for cosine condition?

Thanks for your help!
 
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hi median27! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
median27 said:
I'm troubled about the sign convention …

it's not a convention, it's just the correct formula …

D2(sin4x) = -16sin4x

so (D2 - 9)(sin4x) = (-16 - 9)sin4x = -25sin4x :wink:

(same for cos4x)
 
Your formula tells you the particular solution of

(D2-32)y = +sin 4x

is
[tex]y_p = -\frac{\sin 4x}{3^2+4^2}[/tex]
But that's not the differential equation you have. Yours has a negative sign in front of the forcing term, so you must flip the sign of the particular solution.
 
can you give me the correct formula to use for sine and cosine?

(D^2-a^2)y=sinbx
yp=-sinbx/(a^2+b^2)... is it the standard formula for sine condition?
 
you can work it out for yourself …

if y = Ksinbx, when will (D2 - a2)y equal sinbx ? :smile:
 
Alright, i get it. Thanks
 

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