Solving Integral of sqrt(sinx)/(sqrt(sinx)+sqrt(cosx))dx: Help Needed

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of sqrt(sinx)/(sqrt(sinx) + sqrt(cosx))dx from 0 to pi/2, with the goal of showing that it equals pi/4. Participants explore various substitutions and approaches to simplify the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the substitution x=pi/2-y and its implications for transforming the integral. There are attempts to use u-substitutions and partial fractions, with some questioning the effectiveness of these methods. Others express difficulties in achieving satisfactory results with the proposed substitutions.

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Several participants have contributed different substitution methods and expressed varying levels of success. There is recognition of the complexity involved in the partial fraction decomposition, and some participants are exploring alternative substitutions. The discussion remains open, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

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Participants note that the original question is not a homework problem but rather a post-exam question, which may influence the nature of the discussion and the approaches taken.

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Before I start, this isn't a homework question.
I'm having trouble solving this question, I was wondering if anyone can help me.
The Question is as follows:

Show that the Integral of sqrt(sinx)/(sqrt(sinx) + sqrt(cosx))dx between 0 and pi/2 is equal to pi/4

Using the substitution x=pi/2-y

From the substitution I have got the (-1) integral of sqrt(cosy)/(sqrt(cosy) +sqrt(siny)) dy between pi/2 and 0 =pi/4

The furthest I have managed to get not including other further failed methods is;

the (1) integral of 1/(1+sqrt(tany))dy between pi/2 and 0

Thanks for any help in advance
Simon
 
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And now, let:
u=\sqrt{\tan(y)}
We get:
\frac{du}{dy}=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{\tan(y)}}\frac{1}{\cos^{2}(y)}=\frac{1}{2u}(\tan^{2}(y)+1)=\frac{u^{4}+1}{2u}
Thus, we get:
dy=\frac{2udu}{u^{4}+1}
You may now solve your integral by means of partial fractions decomposition.
 
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Well, there's no need for partial fractions. A substitution can work: t=u^2.
 
bigubau said:
Well, there's no need for partial fractions. A substitution can work: t=u^2.
Well, 1/(1+u) doesn't look very nice with that substitution.
 
Firstly,thanks for the correction on u^4+1/u, we'd noticed you'd missed the 2 out. However we're having problems with solving the partial fractions as we're just not getting a nice answer out on the other side. Also did try the t=u^2 solution but as Arildno said, it's a far more horrible substitution.
 
Simon Malzard said:
Firstly,thanks for the correction on u^4+1/u, we'd noticed you'd missed the 2 out. However we're having problems with solving the partial fractions as we're just not getting a nice answer out on the other side. Also did try the t=u^2 solution but as Arildno said, it's a far more horrible substitution.
Note that:
u^{4}+1=(u^{2}-\sqrt{2}u+1)(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1)
 
Partial fraction decomposition:
We wish to write:
\frac{2u}{(1+u)(u^{2}-\sqrt{2}u+1})(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1})}=\frac{A}{1+u}+\frac{Bu+C}{(u^{2}-\sqrt{2}u+1})}+\frac{Du+E}{(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1})}
Multiplying with the common denominator, we get:
2u=A(u^{2}-\sqrt{2}u+1})(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1})+Bu(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1})(1+u)+C(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1})(1+u)+Du(u^{2}-\sqrt{2}u+1})(1+u)+E(u^{2}+\sqrt{2}u+1})(1+u)

Equate both sides for each power of "u", to get a system of equations
 
No matter wether this is homework or not, it is very like a homework problem. It belongs here.
 
As i said earlier, its not a homework question. It's a post exam question and Ugh you're going to love the ingenuity of the lecturer who just showed us a nifty little trick to flush this integration out in a much simpler form in much less time.

The question started as the following:
Show that \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}\frac{\sqrt{sin(x)}}{\sqrt{sin(x)} + \sqrt{cos(x)}} = \frac{\pi}{4}dx

Lecturers solution:
I = \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}\frac{\sqrt{sin(x)}}{\sqrt{sin(x)} + \sqrt{cos(x)}}dx
+(by the original substitution)
J = \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}\frac{\sqrt{cos(y)}}{\sqrt{cos(y)} + \sqrt{sin(y)}}dy

I+J= 2I. From that the solution of both integrals added together between the limits gives \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}dx

Gives the solution 2I=x between the limits. Which is pi/2. Since this is 2I, divide by 2 to give pi/4. QED
 
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Very nice! :smile:
 

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