De Moivres formula for multiple angles. Where does the sinus go?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around De Moivre's formula for multiple angles, specifically the relationship between the expressions for cosine and sine of multiple angles and their representation in terms of complex numbers. Participants explore the implications of the formula and the role of sine in these expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that (cos(θ) + i sin(θ))^n = cos(nθ) + i sin(nθ) and seeks clarification on the sine component in the context of multiple angles.
  • Another participant explains that the formula can be derived from the multiplication of complex numbers in polar form and references Euler's formula to simplify the expression.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the derivation of sin(nx) from the expansion of (cos x + i sin x)^n and suggests that there may be a missing component in the expression.
  • There is a reiteration of the original question regarding the absence of sin(nx) in the derived expressions, indicating a need for further exploration of this aspect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the role of sin(nx) in the context of De Moivre's formula, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding its derivation and implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the relationship between cosine and sine in multiple angle formulas, particularly in the context of their derivations and expansions.

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Hi!

Yesterday i read and mostly understood that (cos([itex]\theta[/itex]) + isin([itex]\theta[/itex])[itex]^{n}[/itex] = (cos([itex]n\theta[/itex]) + isin([itex]n\theta[/itex])
 
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Okay, so what is your question? What about the multiple angles that you mention in your title?

Note that the formula you give can be derived from the formula for multiplication of complex numbers in "polar form"- [itex]r_1(cos(\theta_1)+ i sin(\theta_1))r_2(cos(\theta_2)+ i sin(\theta_2))= (r_1r_2)(cos(\theta_1+ \theta_2)+ i sin(\theta_1+ \theta_2))[/itex].

Also, we can use Euler's formula, [itex]e^{ix}= cos(x)+ i sin(x)[/itex] to write [itex](cos(\theta)+ i sin(\theta))^n= cos(n\theta)+ i sin(n\theta)[/itex] in the simpler form [itex](e^{i\theta})^n= e^{i n\theta}[/itex].
 
Sorry, I'm not best friends with the post publisher today.

My question was about the multiple angles: I understand that
[itex](cos x +i sinx)^{n} = cos (nx) + i*sin(nx)[/itex]. Then i read that [itex]cos (nx) = cos^{n}(x) - (nC2)cos^{n-2}x*sin^{2}(x)- ...-(-1)^{k/2}(nCk)cos^{n-k}(k)*sin^{k}(x)[/itex]

Now, that looks a lot like what I would expect to get from [itex]cos (nx) + i*sin(nx) = (cos x +i sinx)^{n},[/itex] but i cannot figure out where the sin(nx) goes.

My first thought is that [itex]cos (nx) = (cos x +i sinx)^{n} - sin(nx)[/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
Okay, so what is your question? What about the multiple angles that you mention in your title?

Note that the formula you give can be derived from the formula for multiplication of complex numbers in "polar form"- [itex]r_1(cos(\theta_1)+ i sin(\theta_1))r_2(cos(\theta_2)+ i sin(\theta_2))= (r_1r_2)(cos(\theta_1+ \theta_2)+ i sin(\theta_1+ \theta_2))[/itex].

Also, we can use Euler's formula, [itex]e^{ix}= cos(x)+ i sin(x)[/itex] to write [itex](cos(\theta)+ i sin(\theta))^n= cos(n\theta)+ i sin(n\theta)[/itex] in the simpler form [itex](e^{i\theta})^n= e^{i n\theta}[/itex].

Hi, and thanks for such a quick response! I'm sorry about the first post. Seems like I hit the submit rather than the preview button, a bit prematurely..
 

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