Debate: Can AI Intelligence be Measured?

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of AI intelligence, exploring what constitutes a "better" or "worse" AI. Participants debate whether intelligence is defined by problem-solving speed or by other factors, such as the ability to simulate higher brain functions like reasoning. The conversation touches on theoretical definitions and practical implications of AI.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether AI intelligence is solely defined by speed in problem-solving or if there exists a maximum intelligence that is independent of speed.
  • One participant asserts that AI is fundamentally about simulating higher brain functions, such as reasoning, rather than speed.
  • A definition of AI is presented, emphasizing the search for well-defined algorithms to solve ill-defined problems, which does not include aspects of consciousness or self-awareness.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between reasoning and speed, with conflicting views on whether reasoning can be separated from speed.
  • Some participants highlight that while computers can outperform humans in speed for specific tasks, programming them to think like humans remains a significant challenge.
  • The distinction between AI and "strong AI" is noted, with strong AI implying sentience or consciousness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between speed and intelligence in AI, with no consensus reached on whether intelligence can be measured independently of speed. The definitions and implications of AI and strong AI also remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and assumptions about AI and its capabilities are not universally accepted, and the discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the nature of intelligence in artificial systems.

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In one of our laboratory's coffee breaks, a debate arose but no one was able to give concrete answers. One of the questions was the following:

What defines a better and a worse AI? Is it simply the speed in which the problems are solved? Or is there a maximum intelligence unrelated to speed?

Is there some evidence of this?

Cheers.
 
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AI is NOT about speed, it is about simulation of higher brain functioning such as reasoning.
 
The best definition of AI that I've ever heard was stated during a colloquium at Los Alamos:
...Artificial Intelligence is a field in which one attempts to find well-defined algorithms that solve ill-defined problems...
 
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Ferno said:
But reasoning is also speed related.
No it isn't. No human can beat a handheld calculator for speed at basic math functions, but that doesn't mean a calculator is AI. Computers today are plenty fast enough to beat humans at virtually any pursuit we can figure out how to program them to do. But it is difficult to program them to think like people.

As others have said, AI is almost entirely a matter of programming.
 
I like gdp's quote:
...Artificial Intelligence is a field in which one attempts to find well-defined algorithms that solve ill-defined problems...
Note that this definition doesn't touch on consciousness or self awareness. An automated car able to stay on a roadway and navigate without human intervention might be a good example of an AI system.

AI and strong AI are generally considered 'different' primarily in that Strong AI implies sentience/consciousness.

Definition of AI here:
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/whatisai/node1.html

John Searle coined the term "strong AI" in a paper here:
http://www.bbsonline.org/documents/a/00/00/04/84/bbs00000484-00/bbs.searle2.html
(albeit, I'm not absolutely sure this is the first paper that references the term "strong AI", but I believe it is)
 
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