Definite integral (e^x) *(x-1)^n=16-6e find n.

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This discussion revolves around a definite integral problem involving the expression (e^x)(x-1)^n, with specified limits of integration from 0 to 1. The goal is to find the value of n under the condition that n is less than 6, given that the integral equals 16 - 6e.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts various substitutions and integration techniques, including integration by parts, but reports unsuccessful attempts. Some participants suggest using integration by parts to express the integral in summative notation. Others provide a recurrence relation derived from integration by parts, indicating a potential path forward.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the integral, with some providing specific recurrence relations and initial conditions. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the integration process and questions about the notation used in the discussion.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they can use or the information they can assume. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the guidance provided, indicating a need for clearer explanations.

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Homework Statement



this is definite integral question.
lower limit 0 ; upper limit 1 ; integral (e^x)(x-1)^n = 16-6e
find n (n<6)
here e is euler constant value around 2.7 (irrational)
hope you understood.

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as much as first year student know.

The Attempt at a Solution



tried many substitutions like x-1 = t and some others.
replaced x by 1-x and tried integration by parts. and many more.
but failed:cry:
 
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Use integration by parts and you will be able to write the integral in summative notation
 
icystrike said:
Use integration by parts and you will be able to write the integral in summative notation[/color]
does not understand.
can you please explain it more briefly.
thanks for reply.
 
Integrate by parts:
[tex] \int_{0}^{1}e^{x}(x-1)^{n}dx=\Bigg[ e^{x}(x-1)^{n}\Bigg]_{0}^{1}-n\int_{0}^{1}e^{x}(x-1)^{n-1}dx=(-1)^{n}-n\int_{0}^{1}e^{x}(x-1)^{n-1}dx[/tex]
If your original integral is [itex]I_{n}[/itex], then you have a recurrence relation:
[tex] I_{n}=(-1)^{n}-nI_{n-1}[/tex]
 
hunt_mat said:
Integrate by parts:
[tex] \int_{0}^{1}e^{x}(x-1)^{n}dx=\Bigg[ e^{x}(x-1)^{n}\Bigg]_{0}^{1}-n\int_{0}^{1}e^{x}(x-1)^{n-1}dx=(-1)^{n}-n\int_{0}^{1}e^{x}(x-1)^{n-1}dx[/tex]
If your original integral is [itex]I_{n}[/itex], then you have a recurrence relation:
[tex] I_{n}=(-1)^{n}-nI_{n-1}[/tex]

that's called answer thanks!
can you tell me how to use itex tex tags.
 
To open the tex just do tex in square brackets [ tex] (but without the spaces). To close of the tex do [ /tex ] but take off the spaces. The same with itex, which is in-line tex.
 
As was pointed out:
[tex] I_{n} \equiv \int_{0}^{1}{(x - 1)^{n} \, e^{x} \, dx}[/tex]

[tex] I_{n} = \left. (x - 1)^{n} \, e^{x} \right|^{1}_{0} - n \int_{0}^{1}{(x - 1)^{n - 1} \, e^{x} \, dx}[/tex]

[tex] I_{n} = (-1)^{n - 1} - n I_{n - 1}[/tex]

[tex] I_{0} = \int_{0}^{1}{e^{x} \, dx} = e - 1[/tex]

In general: [itex]I_{n} = A_{n} + B_{n} e[/itex]. The recursion gives:
[tex] A_{n} = (-1)^{n - 1} - n A_{n - 1}[/tex]
[tex] B_{n} = -n B_{n - 1}[/tex]
with the initial conditions [itex]A_{0} = -1[/itex] and [itex]B_{0} = 1[/itex]. You need to find such an n that [itex]A_{n} = 16[/itex] and [itex]B_{n} = -6[/itex].
 
The general solution to the B recursive relations is:
[tex] B_{n} = (-1)^{n} n![/tex]
 

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