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The discussion revolves around evaluating the double integral of the function e^{-3x^2 + 2xy - 3y^2} over the entire xy-plane. The problem involves concepts from multivariable calculus and linear algebra, particularly focusing on diagonalization and change of variables in integrals.

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the quadratic form into a diagonalized matrix and the implications for simplifying the integral. Questions arise regarding the transition from a definite to an indefinite integral and the role of the Jacobian in the change of variables. Some participants express confusion about the notation and the steps taken in the solution process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the steps involved in the solution. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the validity of the transformations and the mathematical reasoning behind them, but no consensus has been reached on the specific details of the substitutions or the treatment of the integrals.

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Participants note potential issues with LaTeX formatting and the clarity of the presented solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the mathematical principles rather than simply arriving at the final answer.

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Homework Statement


##\int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-3x^2+2xy-3y^2} ##

Homework Equations


## \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-x^2-y^2} = \pi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


##3x^2-2xy+3y^2 = (x,y)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
3 & -1 \\
-1 & 3 \end{array} \right)

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
x \\
y \end{array} \right) = \\

=(x',y')
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
2 & 0 \\
0 & 4 \end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
x' \\
y' \end{array} \right) = 2x'^2+4y'^2 \\
\\ \\
## I got this far, I know the solution but I don't understand what is done here:
(copied answer from my tutor):

Why is this suddenly an indefinite integral? (or maybe it's just a ## \LaTeX ## mistake?) :

## I = \int dx \int dy \ \ e^{-2x^2-4y^2} ##

And why can this be changed to :

##\frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}} \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-x^2-y^2} \\
=\frac{\pi}{2\sqrt{2}}
##
 
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Steve Turchin said:

Homework Statement


##\int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-3x^2+2xy-3y^2} ##

Homework Equations


## \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-x^2-y^2} = \pi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


##3x^2-2xy+3y^2 = (x,y)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
3 & -1 \\
-1 & 3 \end{array} \right)

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
x \\
y \end{array} \right) = \\

=(x',y')
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
2 & 0 \\
0 & 4 \end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
x' \\
y' \end{array} \right) = 2x'^2+4y'^2 \\
\\ \\
## I got this far, I know the solution but I don't understand what is done here:
(copied answer from my tutor):

Why is this suddenly an indefinite integral? (or maybe it's just a ## \LaTeX ## mistake?) :

## I = \int dx \int dy \ \ e^{-2x^2-4y^2} ##
This should still be a definite integral.
Steve Turchin said:
And why can this be changed to :

##\frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}} \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-x^2-y^2} \\
=\frac{\pi}{2\sqrt{2}}
##
He did a substitution to change ##2x²+4y²## into ##u²+v²## (I deliberately used other variable names, the tutor kept the variable names ##x,\ y##).
You should be able to see what substitution he did.
 
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I got this far, I know the solution but I don't understand what is done here
A change of integration variables gets rid of the ##xy## in the exponent. Now the integrations can be done 'one after the other'.

It wasn't a ##\LaTeX## mistake, just a bit of laziness.

The next substitution is just to get rid of the 2 and the 4

And I assume you know where the ##\sqrt \pi## cames from...
 
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Steve Turchin said:

Homework Statement


##\int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-3x^2+2xy-3y^2} ##

Homework Equations


## \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-x^2-y^2} = \pi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


##3x^2-2xy+3y^2 = (x,y)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
3 & -1 \\
-1 & 3 \end{array} \right)

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
x \\
y \end{array} \right) = \\

=(x',y')
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
2 & 0 \\
0 & 4 \end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
x' \\
y' \end{array} \right) = 2x'^2+4y'^2 \\
\\ \\
## I got this far, I know the solution but I don't understand what is done here:
(copied answer from my tutor):

Why is this suddenly an indefinite integral? (or maybe it's just a ## \LaTeX ## mistake?) :

## I = \int dx \int dy \ \ e^{-2x^2-4y^2} ##

*************************************************

This should be ## I = \int \int e^{-2 x'^2 - 4 y'^2} \, |J(x',y')| \, dx' \, dy' ## where ##J(x',y')## is the Jacobian determinant of the transformation from ##(x,y)## to ##(x',y')##; that is,
J(x&#039;,y&#039;) = \left| \begin{array}{cc} \partial x / \partial x&#039; &amp; \partial x / \partial y&#039; \\<br /> \partial y / \partial x&#039; &amp; \partial y / \partial y&#039;<br /> \end{array} \right|<br />
****************************************************And why can this be changed to :

##\frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}} \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dx \int_{-\infty} ^{\infty} dy \ \ e^{-x^2-y^2} \\
=\frac{\pi}{2\sqrt{2}}
##
 
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