Checking convergence of Gaussian integrals

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of Gaussian integrals, specifically focusing on the integral of the form Z(λ) involving exponential terms with quadratic and quartic components. Participants are exploring the conditions under which this integral converges and how to manipulate it for further analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the separation of exponential terms in the integral and question the validity of applying series expansions. There are attempts to differentiate Z(λ) with respect to λ and to complete the square for simplification. Some participants express confusion over the relationship between Taylor series and derivatives.

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There is an ongoing exploration of various methods to approach the integral, including series expansion and differentiation. Some participants have provided hints and partial results, but there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution yet. The discussion remains productive with multiple interpretations being considered.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of direct assistance provided. There are also indications of confusion regarding the application of certain mathematical techniques, such as completing the square and the implications of Taylor series.

  • #31
So you are prepared to write down ##c_n=...##.
 
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  • #32
mitochan said:
So you are prepared to write down ##c_n=...##.

Indeed (I would say it cannot be simplified any further)

\begin{equation*}
c_n = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \sum_{n=0}^N\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n} (\sqrt{2})^{4n - 1} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{4n}(2n)!}
\end{equation*}
 
  • #33
No summation and take a look at factor ##2^n##.
 
  • #34
mitochan said:
No summation and take a look at factor ##2^n##.

Oops my bad. It can be simplified further

\begin{equation*}
c_n = \frac{1}{2} \sum_{n=0}^N\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{3n}(2n)!}
\end{equation*}
 
  • #35
Do it more carefully.
 
  • #36
mitochan said:
Do it more carefully.

\begin{align*}
c_n &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n}(2)^{2n}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{4n}(2n)!} \\
&= \frac{1}{2} \frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{2n}(2n)!}
\end{align*}
 
  • #37
Thanks. I got c0=1 in post #21 and your result shows c0=1/2. I should appreciate it if you would check factor 2 missing or duplicating.
 
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  • #38
Let me summarize what we are doing. At #21 you obtained (let me plug the solution of the integral)

\begin{align*}
c_n &= \frac{(-)^n}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\frac{2}{(4!)^n n!}\int_{0}^{+\infty}x^{4n} e^{-\frac{x^2}{2}}dx=\frac{(-)^n}{\sqrt{\pi}}\frac{2^{2n+1}}{(4!)^n n!}\int_{0}^{+\infty}x^{4n} e^{-x^2}dx \\
&= \frac{(-)^n 2^{2n+1}}{(4!)^n n!} (\sqrt{2})^{4n - 1} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{4n}(2n)!}.
\end{align*}

And I got

\begin{align*}
c_n &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n}(2)^{2n}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{4n}(2n)!} \\
&= \frac{1}{2} \frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{2n}(2n)!}
\end{align*}

It indeed seems I am missing a ##2## factor. I will recheck my computation.
 
  • #39
OK Got it, thanks for your patience! :smile:

JD_PM said:
Indeed (I would say it cannot be simplified any further)

\begin{equation*}
c_n = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \sum_{n=0}^N\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n} (\sqrt{2})^{4n - 1} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{4n}(2n)!}
\end{equation*}

I dropped a two (i.e. we have ##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^{4n} e^{-x^2/2} \, dx = 2 (\sqrt{2})^{4n - 1} \Gamma\left(2n+ \frac 1 2 \right)## and not ##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^{4n} e^{-x^2/2} \, dx = (\sqrt{2})^{4n - 1} \Gamma\left(2n+ \frac 1 2 \right)##).

So now my answer matches yours i.e.

\begin{align*}
c_n &= \frac{2}{\sqrt{2}}\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n}(2)^{2n}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{4n}(2n)!} \\
&= \frac{(-)^n}{n!}\frac{1}{(4!)^n} \frac{(4n)!}{2^{2n}(2n)!}
\end{align*}
 
  • #40
Thanks. So we can proceed to investigate the series converges or diverges.
 
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  • #41
mitochan said:
Thanks. So we can proceed to investigate the series converges or diverges.

I did this section some days ago via ratio test and got that the series was convergent, with radius of convergence ##R=\infty##

Do you mind if we advance or do you want me to show it explicitly?
 
  • #42
If you do not mind please show your result.
 
  • #43
mitochan said:
If you do not mind please show your result.

Using the ratio test we get

\begin{align*}
\lim_{n \to \infty} \left|\left( c_{n + 1} \frac{1}{c_n}\right)\right| &= \frac{(-)^{n+1}}{(n+1)!} \frac{1}{(4!)^{n+1}} \frac{\left[4(n+1) \right]!}{2^{2(n+1)}\left[ 2(n+1)\right]!} \\
&\times \frac{n!}{(-)^n}(4!)^n \frac{2^{2n}(2n)!}{(4n)!} \\
&= \lim_{n \to \infty} \left(\frac{1}{4! (n+1)}\right) \\
&= 0 < 1
\end{align*}

Hence ##R= + \infty##
 
  • #44
I calculated it
\frac{c_{n+1}}{c_n}=\frac{-1}{4*4!}\frac{(4n+4)(4n+3)(4n+2)(4n+1)}{(n+1)(2n+2)(2n+1)}=\frac{-1}{4!}\frac{(4n+3)(4n+1)}{(n+1)}=-\frac{2}{3}\frac{(1+3/4n)(1+1/4n)}{1+1/n}n
Please check our results.
 
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  • #45
mitochan said:
I calculated it
\frac{c_{n+1}}{c_n}=\frac{-1}{4*4!}\frac{(4n+4)(4n+3)(4n+2)(4n+1)}{(n+1)(2n+2)(2n+1)}=\frac{-1}{4!}\frac{(4n+3)(4n+1)}{(n+1)}=-\frac{2}{3}\frac{(1+3/4n)(1+1/4n)}{1+1/n}n
Please check our results.

You are right, my bad! (I have to acknowledge that I rushed, my apologies).

Let me be more careful

\begin{align*}
c_{n + 1} \frac{1}{c_n} &= \frac{(4n+4)!}{(n+1)!(4!)^{n+1} 2^{2n+2}(2n+2)!}\times \\
&\times \frac{n! (4!)^n 2^{2n}(2n)!}{(4n)!} \\
&= \frac{(4n+3)(4n+1)}{24(n+1)} \\
&= \frac{n}{24}\left( \frac{(4+3/n)(4+1/n)}{(4+1/n)} \right)
\end{align*}

Where, to get to the first equality, I used factorial properties and simplified

$$(4n+4)! = (4n+4)(4n+3)(4n+2)(4n+1)(4n)!$$

$$(n+1)! = (n+1)(n)!, \qquad (2n+2)! = (2n+2)(2n+1)(2n)!$$

So the series diverges!

\begin{equation*}
\lim_{n\to \infty} \left( \frac{n}{24}\left( \frac{(4+3/n)(4+1/n)}{(4+1/n)} \right) \right) = \infty
\end{equation*}

And the radius of convergence is given by

$$R=0$$
 
  • #46
Regarding c). Let me check if I am on the right track

I would introduce a change of variables ##u := \lambda^{1/4} x## and expand one of the exponentials only so that ##Z(\lambda)## becomes

\begin{align*}
Z(\lambda) &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \lambda^{-1/4} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} du \exp\left( -\frac{u^2}{2!\sqrt{\lambda}}-\frac{1}{4!}u^4\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \lambda^{-1/4} \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} du e^{-u^4/4!} \left( \frac{-u^2}{2! \sqrt{\lambda}} \right)^n \frac{1}{n!}
\end{align*}Mmm so all would boil down to computing an integral of the form

\begin{align*}
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} du \ e^{-u^4/4!} u^{2n}
\end{align*}
 
  • #47
Let me confirm you say

d_n=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\frac{(-)^n}{n!}\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-\frac{u^4}{4!}}\frac{u^{2n}}{2^n} du

Why don't you try changing integral paremeters
\frac{u^4}{4!}=t
and do a similar job with b) ?
 
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  • #48
@mitochan I see how to complete the exercise, thank you for your help and patience :smile:
 
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