Definite integral with square on bottom

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral \(\int_{1/2}^{\sqrt{3}/2}\frac{6}{\sqrt{1-t^2}}dt\), which is related to calculus concepts, particularly integration techniques and trigonometric functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to simplify the integral, with one participant expressing confusion over their manipulation of the expression involving the square root. Others suggest using trigonometric substitution, specifically \(t = \sin(u)\), to facilitate integration. There are also concerns about the level of material covered in their coursework, particularly regarding arcsine and substitution methods.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and clarifying concepts. Some have noted the lack of coverage on certain topics in their current curriculum, while others have found resources that may assist in understanding the integral better.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that they have not yet covered substitution methods or the arcsine function in their current calculus course, which may impact their ability to approach the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement



\int_{1/2}^{\sqrt{3}/2}\frac{6}{\sqrt{1-t^2}}dt

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Ok, this is an odd problem I'm working from the book. The book says the answer is \pi.

First I tried getting rid of the fraction:

\frac{6}{\sqrt{1-t^2}}dt = \frac{6}{(1-t^{2})^{1/2}} = 6(1-t^{2})^{-1/2}

I think I may be getting this next step wrong, but next, I did this:

= 6(1^{1/2}-t^{3/2}) = 6^{1/2}-6t^{3/2}

Which I integrated to:

6t^{1/2} - \frac{12}{5}t^{5/2}

I can't seem to plug in my numbers and get \pi though.

Where did I mess up so far?

Thanks for taking the time to read through my poor attempt at solving this.
 
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dlthompson81 said:
I think I may be getting this next step wrong, but next, I did this:

= 6(1^{1/2}-t^{3/2}) = 6^{1/2}-6t^{3/2}

This step is wrong. I can't even see what you did there. :frown:
Basically, you cannot get rid of the square root by splitting it over a sum, something like that is not allowed.

Try to do a trigonometric substitution. A subsitution like t=sin(u)
 
6(1-t^{2})^{-1/2}

I tried to take the -1/2 exponent and add it to the 1-t^2 which gave me this:

= 6(1^{1/2}-t^{3/2}) = 6^{1/2}-6t^{3/2}

I figured I was doing it wrong, but my problem is that I'm not quite sure how to integrate 6(1-t^{2})^{-1/2}

I'm not really sure how to change it into another form either.

micromass said:
This step is wrong. I can't even see what you did there. :frown:
Basically, you cannot get rid of the square root by splitting it over a sum, something like that is not allowed.

Try to do a trigonometric substitution. A subsitution like t=sin(u)

I'm not sure I understand how substituting in sin would help.
 
dlthompson81 said:
I'm not sure I understand how substituting in sin would help.

It would get rid of the square root...

What happens if you substitute in sin(u)??
 
factor out the 6, then the integral become arcsin(t)
 
I don't think we have covered anything on arcsin yet. I'm only in Calculus 2. If I should know that at this level, I guess one of my teachers let me down.
 
Well I had AP Calculus last year and we covered that, but I'm in Calculus 2 this year and we haven't gotten that far yet in class but it'll come up later. Same thing with trig substitutions as someone previously stated.
 
Have you had substitution yet?

Do as micromass suggested. Let t=sin(u) , then dt = cos(u) du .

Yes, that's equivalent to letting u = arcsin(t), but you won't need that fact until plugging-in the limits of integration, and at that point it should pose no problem.

BTW, 1 - sin2(θ) = cos2(θ) .
 
Nope. We haven't had substitutions yet either. It looks like that is the next chapter we will cover if we stick to the order of the book.
 
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dlthompson81 said:
Nope. We haven't had substitutions yet either. It looks like that is the next chapter we will cover if we stick to the order of the book.

OK, so you can't use substitution??

Well, do you have a list of standard integrals, then??
 
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After looking through the book, I found a table of integrals that has the inverse sin function. I don't seem to have the inverse ones in my notes. I don't know how I missed that. I got it figured out now. Thanks for the help.
 

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