I Definition of Limit for vector fields

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The discussion centers on the definition of limits for vector fields as outlined by Apostol, specifically the equivalence of the limit definition using neighborhoods and the norm convergence. It emphasizes that the limit of a vector function as x approaches a is equivalent to the norm of the difference approaching zero. Participants note that while transitioning from f(x) = b to f(x) - b = 0 is straightforward, the shift from lim(x -> a) to lim(||x - a|| -> 0) is less clear. The conversation also touches on the implications of working within topological vector spaces and the significance of epsilon-delta definitions in understanding limits. The complexity of the topic leads some participants to express a need for further study to grasp the concepts fully.
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Apostol defines limit for vector fields as
> ##\quad \lim _{x \rightarrow a} f(x)=b \quad(\rm or\; f(x) \rightarrow b## as ##x \rightarrow a)##
means that :
##\lim _{\|x-a\| \rightarrow 0}\|f(x)-b\|=0##

Can't we say it's equivalent to ##\lim _{x \rightarrow a}(f(x)-b)=0##
 
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Kashmir said:
Apostol defines limit for vector fields as
> ##\quad \lim _{x \rightarrow a} f(x)=b \quad(\rm or\; f(x) \rightarrow b## as ##x \rightarrow a)##
means that :
##\lim _{\|x-a\| \rightarrow 0}\|f(x)-b\|=0##

Can't we say it's equivalent to ##\lim _{x \rightarrow a}(f(x)-b)=0##
You can, after you accept the definition. I think going from f(x)= b to f(x)-b is 0, is obvious, but going from lim(x->a) to lim (||x-a|| ->0) is not.
There are certainly functions where it's important that || f(x) - b || < epsilon for all the x with || x-a || < delta.
 
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Kashmir said:
Apostol defines limit for vector fields as
> ##\quad \lim _{x \rightarrow a} f(x)=b \quad(\rm or\; f(x) \rightarrow b## as ##x \rightarrow a)##
means that :
##\lim _{\|x-a\| \rightarrow 0}\|f(x)-b\|=0##

Can't we say it's equivalent to ##\lim _{x \rightarrow a}(f(x)-b)=0##
Say ##\lim_{x \to a} f(x)=b## means, that for each neighborhood ##V_b## of ##b## there is a neighborhood ##U_a## of ##a## such that ##f(x)\in V_b## whenever ##x\in U_a\,.## If we further assume that we are dealing with topological vector spaces, then this is equivalent to ##\lim_{x-a \to 0}(f(x)-b)=0\,.## It also implies that every neighborhood contains an ##\varepsilon -##ball. Thus we can replace all neighborhoods with ##\varepsilon -##balls, i.e. the norm convergence. And metric spaces are topological vector spaces.
 
BvU said:
Scalars? vectors ?

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I couldn't understand. Could you please explain what you mean?
 
willem2 said:
You can, after you accept the definition. I think going from f(x)= b to f(x)-b is 0, is obvious, but going from lim(x->a) to lim (||x-a|| ->0) is not.
There are certainly functions where it's important that || f(x) - b || < epsilon for all the x with || x-a || < delta.
"lim(x->a) to lim (||x-a|| ->0)" because if x->a the magnitude of difference vector ||x-a|| will tend to zero.
Is that ok?
 
fresh_42 said:
Say ##\lim_{x \to a} f(x)=b## means, that for each neighborhood ##V_b## of ##b## there is a neighborhood ##U_a## of ##a## such that ##f(x)\in V_b## whenever ##x\in U_a\,.## If we further assume that we are dealing with topological vector spaces, then this is equivalent to ##\lim_{x-a \to 0}(f(x)-b)=0\,.## It also implies that every neighborhood contains an ##\varepsilon -##ball. Thus we can replace all neighborhoods with ##\varepsilon -##balls, i.e. the norm convergence. And metric spaces are topological vector spaces.
Thank you for your reply. I can't understand it right now. It's beyond my learning. Hopefully I'll come back to it after studying some more. :)
 

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