Definition of pound force

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The discussion revolves around the concept of pound force (lbf) and its relationship to mass (lbm) and acceleration in the context of classical mechanics. Participants are exploring how 1 lbf can move a mass of 32 lbm and the implications of unit systems in physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of demonstrating the acceleration of a 32 lbm mass using a 1 lbf force. There are discussions about the need for empirical evidence, such as experiments or demonstrations, to illustrate this relationship. Some participants are also examining the coherence of the unit system being used.

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The discussion is active, with participants expressing frustration over the lack of direct answers and seeking clarity on the concepts involved. There is a recognition of the need for guidance rather than straightforward answers, and some participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the underlying physics principles.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of the formula F=ma in non-coherent unit systems, and participants are reflecting on the implications of this in their discussions. The thread has also been temporarily closed for moderation, which may affect the flow of conversation.

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Homework Statement
prove by physical demonstaration1lbf accelerates 32lbm @ 1ft/s^2. Is there a pic of a classroom experiment proving this?
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def 1lbf=32lbm*1ft/s^2
I can divide the #'s out, but so what. I want to see 1lbf move 32lbm.
 
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Roady said:
I want to see 1lbf move 32lbm.
Are you trying to convince yourself? Or a third party doubter? How direct does the proof need to be?
 
Roady said:
Does it matter? Can you answer the question?
The direct answer is that I know of no picture or video demonstrating a 32 pound weight being accelerated at 1 foot per second per second by a 1 pound force.

Given the available coefficients of friction, the best demonstration that I can think of would involve something like a pendulum bob on a long wire.
Roady said:
Do you know of a friggn experiment? I'm getting the most inane answers from respondants here; another:can you see your mistake?
Did I speak of your mistake or even imply that you'd made one? In this thread you have not made any mistakes. Up until now, you'd only asked a question.

Roady said:
Duh, if I could I wouldn't ask for help.
Here at physicsforums.com we help people help themselves. That means guiding people to an understanding. Not simply answering questions.
Roady said:
1lbf=m*g, what is that mass is another angle? 1lbf=32lbm*1f/s^2=1lbm*32/s^2, but this product is 32lbm*ft/s^2, so that has to account for something if it's not a pound force.
It sounds like you are trying to argue rather than to understand. And since you have another thread open on this same subject, I will stop responding here.

I will say that ##F=ma## only works in coherent systems of units. More generally the formula is ##F=kma## where ##k## is a unit conversion factor. The U.S. customary system is not coherent. In the U.S. system with pounds force, pounds mass and feet per second squared, ##F = \frac{1}{32}ma##
 
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