Job Skills Degrees with actual guaranteed jobs after graduation?

[symbolipoint]

Okay, then how am I supposed to approach anyone? I don't know anyone and have no connections. I can meet people at conferences sure. But the chances are very slim.

Something that in some places at some time periods which had been helpful, in the past, was to take a visit carrying a resume with you, to a company directly, enter the front office and plainly tell your interest, and briefly. I am not sure if this is a welcomed method today.

If you do something like that, do not expect to obtain an interview, but be ready just in case. If the method is acceptable, the front office person might, just might do nothing more than agree to receive your provided resume; and may or may not give it to somebody to read, inspect, and make an initial assessment.

 

[Rive]

overqualified for a technician job, but it might be a place to start and prove yourself

That one.

I too live in an area where there are lot more EE graduates than actual EE jobs, and the ratio of graduates who gets EE jobs for their first employment are well below 30% even for the 'elite' universities here. Pretty common thing.
(And, to be honest - those who have actual EE job right after graduation are mostly already employed before graduation...)

Also, in this area not all EE-jobs are taken by EE graduates. Experience rules, indeed.

But: these days you have more ways to prove yourself and get experience: personal projects, community projects, contract jobs...

Just one thing I feel about your helplessness: if you did not do any EE thing by your own interest during the last few years what would worth a mention in a CV as experience, then you may not be interested enough to be a 'real EE' and should aim 'lower'.

So - what do you have in the bag? What EE thing did you do in these years?

 

[CrysPhys]

Something that is at least related to electrical so that I can at least get into electrical engineering in the future.

It's still not clear in which country you are in and which country you are a citizen of. But have you considered becoming an electrician? You can start with becoming an assistant to a licensed electrician and then become a licensed electrician yourself (requirements depend on locale). That's training that would be of use to a future career as an EE in power electronics (your target). If EE is not in your cards, then in many countries, demand for electricians is fairly high.

 

[symbolipoint]

It's still not clear in which country you are in and which country you are a citizen of. But ha

Did he say, "Canada"?

 

[CrysPhys]

Did he say, "Canada"?

He did indeed in one post; but that was followed by this Admin comment:

That is not where you are posting from.

Early on, there was this Admin comment:

Using my PF Admin powers I can see that you are not in the US.

And I commented in a follow-up post that the OP's profile reads US (which it still does).

By the way, if you are not in the US, why does your profile say US? Proper guidance requires accurate input.

So to me it's not clear where this guy is and what their nationality is, which info is factual and which is not. This info is highly critical to job opportunities, since job markets vary substantially with locale and the viability of relocating to other countries varies substantially with nationality of applicant and visa policies of the receiving countries.

 

[StatGuy2000]

3. I only get ghosted.

You stated in another reply that you have a LinkedIn account. You do have the option of finding people in more senior positions near your area on LinkedIn and ask to talk to people.

It is also important that you approach people in a way that does not come across as "I'm desperate for a job" but more like "I'm interested in learning more about your role, your company, and other similar opportunities".

When you approach people, how do you do it? Can you send us a copy of your e-mail introducing yourself?

 

[pqp]

That one.

I too live in an area where there are lot more EE graduates than actual EE jobs, and the ratio of graduates who gets EE jobs for their first employment are well below 30% even for the 'elite' universities here. Pretty common thing.
(And, to be honest - those who have actual EE job right after graduation are mostly already employed before graduation...)

Also, in this area not all EE-jobs are taken by EE graduates. Experience rules, indeed.

But: these days you have more ways to prove yourself and get experience: personal projects, community projects, contract jobs...

Just one thing I feel about your helplessness: if you did not do any EE thing by your own interest during the last few years what would worth a mention in a CV as experience, then you may not be interested enough to be a 'real EE' and should aim 'lower'.

So - what do you have in the bag? What EE thing did you do in these years?

No offence, but your question doesn't really make sense. If I didn't have any interest in EE then I wouldn't be doing any projects or if I did they would be low quality. None of my projects are low quality or trivial and in fact go way beyond graduate level. I don't know what aim lower means.

 

[pqp]

Did he say, "Canada"?

I'm based in Canada correct.

 

[pqp]

He did indeed in one post; but that was followed by this Admin comment:



Early on, there was this Admin comment:



And I commented in a follow-up post that the OP's profile reads US (which it still does).



So to me it's not clear where this guy is and what their nationality is, which info is factual and which is not. This info is highly critical to job opportunities, since job markets vary substantially with locale and the viability of relocating to other countries varies substantially with nationality of applicant and visa policies of the receiving countries.

I'm based in Canada.

 

[pqp]

It's still not clear in which country you are in and which country you are a citizen of. But have you considered becoming an electrician? You can start with becoming an assistant to a licensed electrician and then become a licensed electrician yourself (requirements depend on locale). That's training that would be of use to a future career as an EE in power electronics (your target). If EE is not in your cards, then in many countries, demand for electricians is fairly high.

That would require an entirely new education and I don't have the money for it. And besides I'm not interested in it either. It's also very uncertain in terms of career prospects which would make it a bad idea.

 

[CrysPhys]

That would require an entirely new education and I don't have the money for it. And besides I'm not interested in it either. It's also very uncertain in terms of career prospects which would make it a bad idea.

You should re-read your Post #1. So, stay the course, and keep doing what you've been doing. Over and out.

 

[DaveC426913]

Have you visited your local employment office? They have all sorts of resources available - job finding, resume services, counselling services, employer listings, etc.

I am in Canada, near Toronto. If you want to PM me, I can help you locate a local office near you.

 

[sbrothy]

I'm also sorry to hear you're struggling so much. With a degree in EE it strikes me as suspicious that there shouldn't be a position for you. It's like with food and clothes. They're always needed.

Now, this will probably come off as a completely cheap "excuse" - I'm assuming your country to be the USA - and given the current political and cultural climate there, are there any reasons, such as name, cultural background or similar that would get you eliminated by AIs already before being "granted" an interview?

I know this should not be the case, but with the current "reality" being what it is, I sincerely hope you're not the victim of some sort of cultural racism. Even if this should be the case - and again I really really hope it hasn't yet come to that - I'm not sure what to do about it. It just struck me because it's sadly a very very real problem in the ridiculous little "kingdom" (Denmark) I live in.

Here, I'm sorry to say, the wrong name on an application can get you filed right into /dev/null.

 

[CrysPhys]

Now, this will probably come off as a completely cheap "excuse" - I'm assuming your country to be the USA - and given the current political and cultural climate there, are there any reasons, such as name, cultural background or similar that would get you eliminated by AIs already before being "granted" an interview?

The OP states they are in Canada. And they've been in this rut for the past 3 yrs; so preceding the current US political and cultural climate anyways.

 

[gwnorth]

I haven't read through all the posts but I hope I can provide some insights. I also apologize in advance that this is going to be lengthy.

I am the parent of an EE grad this year also in Canada. In the Toronto area to be precise. The job market is indeed extremely challenging, especially for youth and new grads. About the only employment sectors significantly hiring at the moment are health care and education. My graduate also faces some additional personal challenges.

First, as they say C's get degrees so they did graduate and from a well regarded university (though not one of the top Engineering schools), but they were not a stellar student. They really enjoyed the hands on aspects of Engineering like the labs and the capstone project, but the more theoretical aspects not so much. As a result while they are very capable, they didn't always work to their full potential. There's a very clear line between the types of courses where they excelled and those where they just passed.

Secondly they did fail a couple of courses that they had to repeat (one because in first year they got the final exam time wrong and the prof offered 0 leeway for a retake. Lesson learned). Also in an effort to lighten their course load, they took summer session courses all through out their degree. This means no summer work experience. They also were in high school during the height of the pandemic, so no work experience then either. They were also unable to secure an internship (and the university's internship office was of limited help), so once again, no work experience. In their defence I will say that many students, even those from the top Engineering programs, have been struggling the past few years to secure internships. In any case you can see the trend here. 0 work experience + just an ok GPA. This makes securing employment as a grad challenging.

Third they're naturally shy and introverted (as an Engineer no surprise there), lacking self-confidence, and not that great at taking initiative. They're not a natural "go-getter". Being in their senior years in high school during the height of the pandemic restrictions, just as they were starting to "bloom", also had a seriously debilitating impact on their social growth. We've seriously considered on several occasions getting them some personal therapy. We've had to push to get them out of their comfort zone.

Now, not all is bad news and I don't want to sound like they don't have skills or talents. They absolutely do. They're polite, open minded, curious with a wide range of interests, and they've got a great sense of humour. They're generally likeable and personable once you get to know them. In the right environment where they feel comfortable you really get to see that. They'll make someone a great employee given the right role and environment. What they've fundamentally needed though is personal development support and career guidance. I'd expected much more on this last point from the internship program at their university but beyond going over the basics of how to write a resume and fundamental job search instructions, students were pretty much left to their own devices (and hustle) to secure positions. Our grad needed more hands on guidance than that.

Unfortunately neither my spouse or I are Engineers so we can't help there, but we do know a few Engineers, including a family member. They've been able to provide some advice and shop around our grad's resume a bit though so far without success. The biggest advantage we have been able to offer other than personal and financial support, is that their father has a very extensive business network. They put out a general appeal on their own LinkedIn asking if anyone was willing to review our graduate's resume and provide some career coaching. They received several positive responses from people in various roles with the Engineering and wider business community. Our graduate was able to set up informational interviews to get some one and one advice on job searching, engineering roles, resume guidance, and suggestions on self-presentation and how to enhance their profile. More than that it gave them practice speaking with people and has helped to build self-confidence. They also recently attended a local job fair where OPG was in attendance (though to be honest it was mostly useless as all they were told was to monitor their job board and apply online).

We're still continuing to need to push, and their father is daily giving advice and encouragement, but they are starting to internalize it all and taking more ownership of the process. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say and I wonder if we had thought to do this earlier if they would have been more successful with their job search for an internship. They are continuing applying to roles and have a few potential leads that may end up playing out, but unfortunately due to current economic conditions, maybe not until the end of the summer once there is more clarity as to how trade negotiations with the US is going to play out. One promising role he applied to unfortunately had to freeze hiring and many employers at the moment are reluctant to make any hiring decisions given uncertain market conditions. It makes an already challenging process even more so.

In the meantime they had their first job interview today. It's with a start-up that they had applied to, but for a different role. The company noticed some specific skills on their resume that they're in need of, and invited them to interview for a different position. It's not really something that you could make career out of, and it would just be a 1 year contract, but it would give them work experience to be able to leverage going forward, develop some transferable skills, and something to do while waiting for employment conditions to hopefully improve.

This is all to say that I understand how difficult job searching can be for those who are shy and/or introverted and who may be lacking in self-confidence. The unfortunate reality of the work world is that it favours extroverts, regardless of your level of skill or ability. Further, in support of what others here have been saying, and especially given the current highly challenging economic conditions, networking really is the key to being able to successfully secure employment. If being able to do so doesn't come naturally to you, then you need to get some help developing that skill. I would seriously consider getting some professional career coaching. If you don't know people who can provide you with that assistance, there are companies that provide those services. I would highly encourage you to look into them.

The other take away is that opportunities can come from unexpected quarters so it's important to keep applying and casting a wide net and be open to alternative paths.

Best of luck.

 

[sbrothy]

The OP states they are in Canada. And they've been in this rut for the past 3 yrs; so preceding the current US political and cultural climate anyways.

Oh, I overlooked that. Thanks. Good. Really good. I cannot wrap my head around Canada behaving as such, eh?

EDIT: And as I wrote: I know it was a cheap shot anyway.

 

[StatGuy2000]

That would require an entirely new education and I don't have the money for it. And besides I'm not interested in it either. It's also very uncertain in terms of career prospects which would make it a bad idea.

@pqp, you and I are both living in Canada, and as a resident, you do know that you have access to student loans to cover any additional training or education required for a different career path. And the money required to become an electrician (a few courses in community college, plus apprenticeship) should not be too costly.

I know you stated you are not interested in it. But if it's a choice between working in retail or being unemployed and working in a skilled trade with a good salary and in considerable demand in Canada, do you really think this is not a choice you want to consider?

 

[StatGuy2000]

I haven't read through all the posts but I hope I can provide some insights. I also apologize in advance that this is going to be lengthy.

I am the parent of an EE grad this year also in Canada. In the Toronto area to be precise. The job market is indeed extremely challenging, especially for youth and new grads. About the only employment sectors significantly hiring at the moment are health care and education.

Has there been significant hiring within education lately within the Toronto area? I live in Toronto as well, and I have not seen or heard of open positions within the Toronto District School Board for teachers -- at least not for full-time teaching staff as opposed to temporary supply teachers.

If anything, much of the recent hiring that I am aware has been in the construction sector. More generally, there is high demand for people in the skilled trades, such as electricians, plumbers, and HVAC technicians.

 

[CrysPhys]

The other take away is that opportunities can come from unexpected quarters so it's important to keep applying and casting a wide net and be open to alternative paths.

Yes, never underestimate the power of serendipity. I used to volunteer as an industry mentor for STEM students. That program died out about 10 yrs ago, and I've since retired. But I recently revived my role as an industry mentor for a student I met while ... figure skating. She's wrapping up her PhD in chemistry, specializing in materials for optoelectronic devices. My PhD was in physics, but I also worked in materials for optoelectronic devices. I've kept in touch with some of the students I previously mentored; several are in high-level managerial positions now in materials science and engineering or optoelectronic devices.

I helped the figure-skating student with her resume and some job-hunting tips. But since my experience is dated, I forwarded her resume to my contacts for their help. They remembered all the help I had given them years ago, so they have been happy to pitch in.

 

[CrysPhys]

If anything, much of the recent hiring that I am aware has been in the construction sector. More generally, there is high demand for people in the skilled trades, such as electricians, plumbers, and HVAC technicians.

There is also strong demand in the construction sector in the US, particularly since in the past several years, natural disasters (wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, ...) have devasted many regions of the country. And in countries that have been leveled by war, there will be strong demand once peace is achieved and reconstruction funds are available.

Note that there are opportunities not only for technicians, but also, in the commercial construction sector, for engineers. Many years ago, one of my daughter's friends (from childhood), "Bob", was finishing his bachelor's in mechanical engineering. He asked my advice about stopping with a bachelor's, pursuing a master's, or pursuing a PhD. I gave him my rundown of the pluses and minuses of each. He decided not to go for a PhD, but instead completed a master's and later became a licensed professional engineer specializing in HVAC. He and two other childhood friends formed a consulting company for commercial real estate development. "John" had majored in finance and handled the business side; "Mark" was an architect and handled the design work; and Bob, of course, handled the HVAC work. They made a bundle of money in the metro New York City commercial real estate market. There are opportunities for electrical engineers in commercial construction as well (e.g., power distribution).

Caveat: The opportunities are there, but there needs to be a willingness for an engineering grad to work in a non-glamorous field. E.g., years later, another mechanical engineering student was referred to me by a friend for advice. I gave him a similar spiel, and gave the example of the previous student that had achieved a lucrative career in HVAC. But the present student replied in so many words, "I'd rather jump off a bridge than work in HVAC." And I'm sure there are electrical engineering grads looking forward to glamorous jobs in (semiconductor devices, optoelectronic devices, quantum computing, avionics, robotics ...) who would rather leap onto a high-tension wire than design power-distribution centers for shopping malls.

 

[gwnorth]

As an update to my post yesterday, they got the job. Is it a forever job? No, but it leverages skills that they have (3D Printing), provides an opportunity to gain formal certification (SolidWorks), will help to develop transferable "soft" skills, is paying a very good starting salary (far higher than I was expecting), and provides valuable work experience to put on their resume. It also gives them breathing room to really target applying to roles they're really interested in rather than just whatever happens to be available. It also may give then an "in" with the parent company, an Engineering consulting firm, for which this is a side venture.

 

[osilmag]

About 3 years ago I achieved my degree in Electrical Engineering and I have applied for over 1000+ jobs at this point. I have had exactly 0 offers and constant rejections despite tailoring my resume for each job. I barely get invited to any interviews. The co-op/internships/traineeships at my school were also very competitive and so I wasn't able to secure anything. My career center has been largely useless too due to the contradictory advice being given for job searching and resume corrections. Despite all this I graduated with high gpa with several personal projects ( and several more too during these past 3 years). I also have no real connections and no real experience.

Given that I'm essentially unemployable what other ways can I make money with this degree in EE? Given that I'm unemployable and my degree has essentially expired what can I do to gain real skills in EE without a job, and to increase my chances for future employment (if any, as there appears to be none (as there are no "opportunities" for EE grads with no real experience)? Because at this point this education and degree is a total waste and a piece of toilet paper.

Or if this is not possible what other degrees are there that actually do guarantee jobs after graduation? What degrees are actually worth the investment and actually offer something?

Whoa. You have more perseverance than me. I switched careers after 3 grad school and ~300 engineering application rejections (sprinkle in several interviews that were "thanks, but no thanks").

I've had a much better second career and never looked back. I'm not telling you to switch, but I wouldn't be afraid to if I were you.

 

[StatGuy2000]

Whoa. You have more perseverance than me. I switched careers after 3 grad school and ~300 engineering application rejections (sprinkle in several interviews that were "thanks, but no thanks").

I've had a much better second career and never looked back. I'm not telling you to switch, but I wouldn't be afraid to if I were you.

To @osilmag:

If I may ask, what did you end up pursuing as your second career?

 

[osilmag]

To @osilmag:

If I may ask, what did you end up pursuing as your second career

Education. I teach physics at the high school level.

 

[pqp]

You stated in another reply that you have a LinkedIn account. You do have the option of finding people in more senior positions near your area on LinkedIn and ask to talk to people.

It is also important that you approach people in a way that does not come across as "I'm desperate for a job" but more like "I'm interested in learning more about your role, your company, and other similar opportunities".

When you approach people, how do you do it? Can you send us a copy of your e-mail introducing yourself?

Like this:

Hello Name,

I'm very interested in blank. Explanations.

Looking forward to more opportunities, etc.

 

[pqp]

@pqp, you and I are both living in Canada, and as a resident, you do know that you have access to student loans to cover any additional training or education required for a different career path. And the money required to become an electrician (a few courses in community college, plus apprenticeship) should not be too costly.

I know you stated you are not interested in it. But if it's a choice between working in retail or being unemployed and working in a skilled trade with a good salary and in considerable demand in Canada, do you really think this is not a choice you want to consider?

Yes, but sooner or later you will have to pay those student loans and if you have a low paying job that won't help you at all. You'll essentially turn into a slave.

I know you stated you are not interested in it. But if it's a choice between working in retail or being unemployed and working in a skilled trade with a good salary and in considerable demand in Canada, do you really think this is not a choice you want to consider?

No, because it is very uncertain. For one I don't find the work interesting and two competition even for trades is very high. And in demand is very subjective. Electrical Engineering is apparently in demand but no one wants to hire anyone. Being an electrician isn't any different either and is just as worse. It's like saying you have a chance of becoming a millionaire by investing in the lottery. Possible? Yes. Is it likely? Not at all. So it's not a good idea at all.

 

[gwnorth]

Electrical Engineering is apparently in demand but no one wants to hire anyone.

I'm beginning to understand why you're having difficulties finding a job. You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable. You keep clinging to a specific path even when that path has been shown to be unsuccessful. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. You've gotten some excellent feedback here but so far you've dismissed every suggestion that's been made. If you aren't getting responses to your applications you need to ask yourself why. After 3 years being unsuccessful, it's not just due to a challenging job market. You're fundamentally doing something wrong. You need to get some professional help to figure out what that is, whether that's how you're going about searching for roles, issues with your resume, your interviewing technique, or all of the above. You also need to expand your definition of what acceptable employment looks like. Until you change your mindset and are more open to alternative approaches or pathways, nothing anyone says here is going to help.

 

[symbolipoint]

Further in regard to @gwnorth 's post #77,
Once in a while I say this bit of urgency for the need to find employment:

o.p. member, you need to find a job! No matter you have an education and a degree; you need to find a job! One day your parents will be either in poor physical condition, poor mental condition, or dead; you may have siblings but they may possibly not be in conditions to be able to accommodate you; you must gain the income to be able to buy a house, obtain food, and pay to receive utilities' services. You must obtain stable employment within the year!

 

[pqp]

I'm beginning to understand why you're having difficulties finding a job. You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable. You keep clinging to a specific path even when that path has been shown to be unsuccessful. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. You've gotten some excellent feedback here but so far you've dismissed every suggestion that's been made. If you aren't getting responses to your applications you need to ask yourself why. After 3 years being unsuccessful, it's not just due to a challenging job market. You're fundamentally doing something wrong. You need to get some professional help to figure out what that is, whether that's how you're going about searching for roles, issues with your resume, your interviewing technique, or all of the above. You also need to expand your definition of what acceptable employment looks like. Until you change your mindset and are more open to alternative approaches or pathways, nothing anyone says here is going to help.

I'm beginning to understand why you're having difficulties finding a job.

No you don't. You just have poor reading comprehension.

You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable.
You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable. My thinking is very fluid if you must know. Being realistic is not the same as being rigid in my thinking and not very adaptable. Think before you write before insulting me and others in my situation. Over half my graduating class couldn't find work in Electrical Engineering just like me. When that happens, this is not a personal failure it's an economic failure. And I have tried multiple things (as mentioned multiple times in my posts) over these past 3 years to secure any type of employment, even remotely related to electrical. I didn't just apply to jobs online. Less than 30% of electrical engineering graduates are able to secure any job related to electrical engineering in Canada hence the quote - Electrical Engineering is apparently in demand but no one wants to hire anyone. "You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable." - Stop with the nonsense. You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable. You lack basic reading comprehension skills, you failed to understand what this post is about, and most importantly you've failed to understand what I've said. In short you are not very intelligent, in fact you've proved your own retort about yourself. You're very rigid in your thinking and not very adaptable.

You keep clinging to a specific path even when that path has been shown to be unsuccessful.
Not true. I'm looking for any jobs even remotely related to electrical that doesn't require any further education for I don't have money. I'm simply being realistic. I'm not clinging to a specific path. So what you are saying is nonsense. Money greatly limits the number of options one has and so does connections. I hope you understand this. "You keep clinging to a specific path even when that path has been shown to be unsuccessful." - Stop with the nonsense.

They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
No offense but what you're saying is nonsense. What has this got to do with this exactly? It doesn't apply to my situation because I'm actually trying different things not the same things. I've mentioned this numerous times in the post.

Parroting a phrase unrelated to a situation doesn't mean anything. You're not the sharpest knife in the draw. It doesn't make you sound intelligent in fact just the opposite. You not only misused it but you also misapplied it. "They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome." - Stop with the nonsense.

You've gotten some excellent feedback here but so far you've dismissed every suggestion that's been made.
I haven't dismissed anything. There is a difference between dismissing something and the "feedback" that isn't practically reachable for someone. For me in particular I have no money for loans or money for another education. An electrician I'll repeat again is a very competitive trade and highly uncertain. When someone like me has no money to cover loans then it isn't an "opportunity", nor is it a "dismissal", it's just not practical for me for it to even be considered an option. Hence the title of the thread - "or degrees with actual guaranteed jobs". If I'm going to be spending money on another degree then at least it must offer secure employment. An electrician is not such an example because 1. it's highly competitive and 2. it's very uncertain.

If you aren't getting responses to your applications you need to ask yourself why. You're fundamentally doing something wrong.
You don't know anything about my situation or troubles in finding employment to arrogantly assert "you need to ask yourself why. you're fundamentally doing something wrong". My responses to people in the post come out of being realistic not dismissive. I have done everything I possibly could have to secure any employment related to electrical. And I have asked asked myself why multiple times and have tried multiple things. I've worked retail, QA testing jobs, etc. I have continuously been searching for anything even remotely related to electrical. "If you aren't getting responses to your applications you need to ask yourself why. You're fundamentally doing something wrong." - Stop with the nonsense.

After 3 years being unsuccessful, it's not just due to a challenging job market.
Yes it is. Because the people I know are also struggling. "After 3 years being unsuccessful, it's not just due to a challenging job market." - Stop with the nonsense.

You need to get some professional help to figure out what that is, whether that's how you're going about searching for roles, issues with your resume, your interviewing technique, or all of the above.
I've already written previously that I did go to my university center, career coaching, career advisor office to discuss all those things and they all gave contradictory advice. I even wrote this in the post and comment sections. They gave contradictory advice on searching for roles, issues with resume, interviewing technique, or all of the above. So in a sense they didn't help much. That's why I'm here looking for more options.

You also need to expand your definition of what acceptable employment looks like.
I have expanded my definition of what acceptable employment looks like long ago. That's why I'm here looking for more options. I here looking for advice for jobs that are somewhat related to electrical or a new education that guarantees employment afterwards. An electrician is not an option for me because it's very unpredictable and I have no more money to spend on loans and risk getting in debt. If it's an education it must guarantee employment with minimum competition. That's called being realistic. It has nothing to do with "expand your definition of what acceptable employment looks like" or "dismissive". Stop with the nonsense.

Until you change your mindset and are more open to alternative approaches or pathways.
Until you improve your reading comprehension skills and change your reading comprehension skills nothing of what you are saying is going to help. I'm open to alternative pathways or approaches. But as I said again the pathways being offered here with respect to becoming an electrician or teacher are not acceptable realistically speaking for me. Because 1. They require a different education that costs money, requires loans, etc. And I don't have that. 2. These jobs are very competitive. There are many hungry electricians and teachers in Canada, I don't care that they call these professions in demand. They are not realistically speaking. They are as in demand as electrical engineering is. Everyone says for example electrical engineering is very in demand but the reality is that no one wants to hire anyone. You either need to have to have very big connections or be very experienced. The exact same thing is true for electricians and teachers and hence they are very unpredictable. Which implies realistically they are not options at all for me. It has nothing to do with "until you change your mindset" or "and are more open to alternative approaches or pathways". Stop with the nonsense.

nothing anyone says here is going to help.
No, nothing you say here is going to help. Everyone here has been helpful in giving me their opinions. They have not once accused me or made generalizations about me (that are not only insulting but also incorrect) like you did. You've insulted me, you've insulted my efforts, you didn't give any real advice, and you made generalizations about me that are wrong. "nothing anyone says here is going to help." - Stop with the nonsense.

If you have nothing meaningful to say then simply don't say anything.

 

[berkeman]

Thread is locked for Moderation...

 

[berkeman]

And in demand is very subjective. Electrical Engineering is apparently in demand but no one wants to hire anyone. Being an electrician isn't any different either and is just as worse

One of the biggest problems with this thread is that the OP is still being disingenuous about their location. They are not posting from Canada, so the advice we are trying to give is not going to be helping them. That is on the OP and this misleading thread is now closed. Thank you all for trying your best to help the OP despite their false location information.