Delta-Epsilon Limit Calculation

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The discussion revolves around a limit calculation involving the function f(x) = 8x + 15 as x approaches 10, with a specified ε of 1. Participants are tasked with finding the largest δ that satisfies the limit definition.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the inequality |(8x + 15) - 95| < 1 to find δ. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the limit definition and how to derive δ from the established inequalities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various interpretations of the inequalities and the relationship between δ and the values of x. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of absolute values and the implications of the limit definition.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the correct values of δ and the implications of the absolute value inequalities. Participants are encouraged to clarify their understanding of these concepts as they relate to the limit definition.

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Homework Statement



For the given limit and the given ε, find the largest value of δ that will guarantee the conclusion of the statement.

f(x)=8x+15, ε=1, lim f(x) = 95
x→10

Homework Equations



So the statement that is on the worksheet says:

Let L be a real number and let f be a function defined on an open interval containing c, but not necessarily defined at c.

the statement lim f(x) = L means that for all ε > 0, there exists δ > 0 such that if 0 < |x-c| < δ then |f(x) - L| < ε
......x→c



The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I got and I not even sure it's correct.


|(8x+15) - 95| < 1
|8x - 80| < 1

now what?
 
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jojo13 said:

Homework Statement



For the given limit and the given ε, find the largest value of δ that will guarantee the conclusion of the statement.

f(x)=8x+15, ε=1, lim f(x) = 95
x→10

Homework Equations



So the statement that is on the worksheet says:
Let L be a real number and let f be a function defined on an open interval containing c, but not necessarily defined at c.

the statement lim f(x) = L means that for all ε > 0, there exists δ > 0 such that if 0 < |x-c| < δ then |f(x) - L| < ε
......x→c



The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I got and I not even sure it's correct.


|(8x+15) - 95| < 1
|8x - 80| < 1

now what?

Well, that's an ok start. What's supposed to be less than δ for that to be true?
 
Dick said:
Well, that's an ok start. What's supposed to be less than δ for that to be true?

Do I solve the equation?

So 8x < 81

x < 81/8

81/8 is the answer?
 
jojo13 said:
Do I solve the equation?

So 8x < 81

x < 81/8

81/8 is the answer?

No, that's not right. You want |8x - 80| < 1 whenever |x-10|<δ. What's the largest value of δ you can choose that will make that work?
 
Dick said:
No, that's not right. You want |8x - 80| < 1 whenever |x-10|<δ. What's the largest value of δ you can choose that will make that work?

I can not wrap my mind around this. Would it be 10?
 
jojo13 said:
I can not wrap my mind around this. Would it be 10?

No, you may be a little shakey on how to work with absolute value. If |x-10|<10 then the solution to that is all numbers 0<x<20. Do you see why? All of those values of x don't work with |8x-80|<1, do they? x=10 works. x=11 doesn't work. Which values of x do work? Think about this a little more. Maybe something will click.
 
Dick said:
No, you may be a little shakey on how to work with absolute value. If |x-10|<10 then the solution to that is all numbers 0<x<20. Do you see why? All of those values of x don't work with |8x-80|<1, do they? x=10 works. x=11 doesn't work. Which values of x do work? Think about this a little more. Maybe something will click.

If |x-10|< .125 then the solutions would be from 0<x<10.125 and that works?
 
jojo13 said:
If |x-10|< .125 then the solutions would be from 0<x<10.125 and that works?

That's real progress! The solutions are actually 10-0.125<x<10+0.125. But you've got it. How did you get 0.125?
 
Dick said:
That's real progress! The solutions are actually 10-0.125<x<10+0.125. But you've got it. How did you get 0.125?

Solved |8x - 80| < 1. and that is 10.125. Put 10.125 into |x-10| < δ.

So the largest value of δ that would guarantee the problem would be 10.125?
 
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jojo13 said:
Solved |8x - 80| < 1. and that is 10.125. Put 10.125 into |x-10| < δ.

So the largest value of δ that would guarantee the problem would be 10.125?

You said |x-10|<0.125. Doesn't that make δ=0.125? Look at your limit definition. And you are still being a little sloppy on the absolute value solutions. You solved 8x-80=1, that's really only a part of solving |8x-80|<1. Review absolute value inequalities, ok? |x-a|<b means a-b<x<a+b. It means the distance between x and a is less than b. Here's another way to go once you've got the absolute value stuff. |8x-80|=8|x-10|. Agree? So if |8x-80|<1 and |x-10|<δ what's the largest value of δ that will work?
 

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