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The problem involves determining the minimum force required to drag a carton of books across a floor at an angle of 45 degrees. The mass of the carton is specified as 40 kg, and the coefficient of friction is given as 0.60. Participants are discussing the application of free body diagrams and relevant equations to approach the problem.

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  • Participants are examining the equations derived from the free body diagram and questioning how to isolate the variable for the minimum force. There is discussion about the relationship between sine and cosine at 45 degrees and how to manipulate the equations to find the normal force.

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Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting methods to express the normal force in terms of the other variables. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's attempts to solve the problem, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the calculated force.

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The discussion reflects a learning environment where participants are encouraged to explore their reasoning and clarify their understanding of the problem without arriving at a definitive solution.

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I was given the problem: "What minimum force is required to drag a carton of books across the floor if the force is applied at an angle of 45 degrees to the horizontal? Take the mass of the carton as 40 kg and the coefficient of friction as 0.60.

Free Body Diagram (Given by physics teacher)
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/4383/untitled1yz4.th.jpg

Equations
[tex]F\sin(45) + F_n = mg[/tex]
[tex]\mu_k F_n = F\cos(45)[/tex]

Now for the life of me, I can't seem how to solve for F since the question asks for the minimum force.. Will i just need to solve the system of equations that I have?**EDIT**
After some simple math and slapping myself repeatedly for being so blind, i came up with 207.41 as the force.. Would anyone be willing to confirm that answer with me?
 
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Hint

cos 45 and sin 45 are the same.

If you equate these two now you have just Fn as the unknown - find it and substitute it back to find F*

Minimum force just means no acceleration ie exactly balanced forces.
 
demode said:
I was given the problem: "What minimum force is required to drag a carton of books across the floor if the force is applied at an angle of 45 degrees to the horizontal? Take the mass of the carton as 40 kg and the coefficient of friction as 0.60.

Free Body Diagram (Given by physics teacher)
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/4383/untitled1yz4.th.jpg

Equations
[tex]F\sin(45) + F_n = mg[/tex]
[tex]\mu_k F_n = F\cos(45)[/tex]

Now for the life of me, I can't seem how to solve for F since the question asks for the minimum force.. Will i just need to solve the system of equations that I have?


**EDIT**
After some simple math and slapping myself repeatedly for being so blind, i came up with 207.41 as the force.. Would anyone be willing to confirm that answer with me?

Express the normal force Fn out of the first equation, and plug it into the second equation. Then solve for F, and you'll get the minimal force.
 
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Alright guys thanks so much.. Perhaps I should have thought harder before turning to the forums for help.. Once again thanks!
 

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